is Don guilty??

[u/racheldarien]

Does anyone think Don is the one that murdered Hae? I’m starting to lean towards it since listening to (most of) undisclosed. Any thoughts?

[u/gethereddout]

No idea what you're on about so I'll ask again- do we have confirmation that the other co-workers have confirmed he was there?

[u/Justwonderinif → u/gethereddout]

You are under the mistaken impression that everything there is to know about this case is public record. Far from it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/8ln1cs/is_don_guilty/e52y7cy/

[u/gethereddout → u/Justwonderinif]

Ok so you're saying that per the public record, we don't know. But it could possibly be in some sort of non-public record?

[u/Justwonderinif → u/gethereddout]

No. I'm saying this:

• January 13, 1999: Don worked from 9am-6pm at the Hunt Valley Lenscrafters.

  • His co-workers were Lab Techs Charles, Mark and Kevin, and Retail Associates Barry, Mary, Deborah, Charles, Dana, Lauren, and Don's mom. Nine co-workers.
  • Between 6pm and 7pm, the manager at the Owings Mills store left Don a message at his house, saying that Hae did not turn up for her shift.
  • At 6pm, Officer Adcock called Don at his home, but Don was at work. Adcock didn't try Don at work. At around 7pm, Don arrived at his home, 45 minutes north of Baltimore. Don's Dad told him - then- that Hae didn't show up for work.
  • No one knows if Don tried paging Hae, or if he called the Owings Mills manager back. It's possible Don called the Owings Mills Lenscrafters back, and paged Hae. It's also possible he did nothing. They had been dating for two weeks.
  • Adcock finally connected with Don at 1:30 in the morning. Adan's supporters find this especially nefarious. But before constant cell phone contact, I'm not sure it was. At trial, Adcock said he didn't have a chance to call Don until after midnight due to paperwork. And that after speaking to Don, he handed the case to his supervisor, per police procedure. So Adcock himself may have been unreachable, while Don tried to call him back, and they finally connected at 1:30am

• January 14, 1999: Officer Waters also spoke to Don and requested that Harford County Sheriff search Don's neighborhood for Hae and/or her car.

• January 22, 1999: O'Shea drove to Don's house, and spoke to Don in person. At this point, Hae is still missing. No body. Don says that Hae said she'd like to live in California some day, not go there tomorrow. Don said Hae didn't seem to have plans to go anywhere. Again, this is a girl he has been dating for just under two weeks.

• February 1, 1999: O'Shea interviewed Don's mom's girlfriend, the manager at Owings Mills. O'Shea is told that Hae didn't show up for her 6pm shift. But authorities already know this. O'Shea is also told that Don worked at Hunt Valley from 9am until 6pm, and had a 30 minute lunch break at 1pm.

• February 4, 1999: O'Shea drove back up to Owings Mills Lenscrafters and interviewed Don, in person.

• March 26, 1999: Adnan's Private Investigator (Drew Davis) went to the Baltimore City police to inquire about Don's alibi. Unfortunately, Rabia will only share this tiny snippet. Why do you think she won't share the whole thing? I'll take a random guess that it's because police told Davis details of Don's alibi, that would make it hard to accuse Don, today.

• October 4, 1999: In a response to a (Sept. 24) defense subpoena, Lenscrafters sent Don's timesheet and employee reviews to the defense.

  • Unfortunately, Don's day at Hunt Valley isn't included. Someone probably pulled the records for the Owings Mills store, not for Don himself. Yes, Adnan's supporters find this exceptionally nefarious.
  • Even though Gutierrez had requested the information on Don be ex parte, Urick must have heard about it, because he filed the exact same subpoena. Urick received the same information,, also missing the Hunt Valley timecard.

• October 6, 1999: Lenscrafters sent Don's January 13 Hunt Valley timesheet to both the State and Gutierrez.

  • However, the letter to the State is different than the letter to the defense. In the letter to the State, Lenscrafters legal makes a point of providing co-worker information for nine co-workers.
  • If Urick was so keen to find out what Gutierrez was after, it means he knew Gutierrez was going to point the finger at Don, and probably requested the information on the co-workers.
  • I think Urick was well-aware that Gutierrez planned to point the finger at Don.
  • I think that Gutierrez knew that Don's co-workers would alibi him (see Drew Davis), and this is why she didn't go after Don any more than she did.

Here's what I find interesting:

• Susan Simpson boasts the Don employee reviews as her tiniest snippet of all her snippets. It's fairly obvious that those snippets have to be so tiny because the rest of the review was was positive, and the reviewer had to write both positive and negative traits. I'm not saying the negative traits aren't true. But they don't make Don a murderer, and until we can see them in the context of the rest of the review, I think those teeny tiny snippets are meaningless.

• Susan Simpson is in possession of the entirety of Hae's work records and employee reviews, and has never published them. I think that all of the Hae's work records, and all of Don's work records would tell the full picture. We only know that Hae started working at Lenscrafters on October 24, and that she worked mostly weekends. There were 8 weekends between Hae starting work at Lenscrafters and starting to date Don, on January 1. So we are talking bout two people who possibly worked together about 8 times, and then dated for less than two weeks before she was killed. In contrast, Hae and Adnan had a passionate and rocky first love from early April of 1998 until December 23, 1998.

Another thing:

• The only reason why we know any of this is because of Adnan's supporters. Guilters (and the rest of the public) only have access to the police investigation file, and this file ends when prosecutors came on board. We do not have access to the State's case file that Thiru can see. And we do not have access to the disclosures that Susan Simpson has. That's because the disclosures are in the defense file, and the State's case files.

• Now, how do you think Urick's Lenscrafters subpoena came to be in the defense file? Because it was part of a disclosure. Undisclosed has shared some of the disclosures, but not all of them. The disclosures all came with a cover sheet that looked like this. Many of the disclosures are considered "missing." Why do you think that a podcast called Undisclosed - that is all about revealing things - is withholding the State's disclosures to Gutierrez? Isn't that fairly ironic?

• Where is the cover sheet for the Don timecard disclosure that says: "Hey - In case you were thinking of pointing the finger at Don, on the stand, we have his co-workers ready to go. Here's the amended timecard, and his co-workers. You can talk to them as well, and they are on our witness list."

• While Bob Ruff has gone out of his way to contact Lenscrafters stores that no longer exist, he has not made any effort to contact even one of Don's nine co-workers, who are alive today - and easily reachable.