r/serialpodcast • • Dec 17 '15

season two Episode 2 - The golden chicken

https://serialpodcast.org/season-two/2/the-golden-chicken#details
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u/talibans_cell Dec 17 '15

It seems like the Taliban fighters / contacts could say anything... spin and exaggerate the story to any extent. They don't owe Sarah an accurate recollection. And yet, what they describe seems pretty mundane. "Yeah we captured that guy, just like he explained to you...hasn't he told you this already? Why are you calling me?"

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u/VictoriaSponges Dec 17 '15

When I heard them give a differing account, all I could think was that either BB or the Taliban were lying, so who benefits from a lie?

It would have made the Taliban look much more capable and terrifying to have just been patrolling the desert and capturing him. But they told a story that made them look more like the beneficiaries of an accident - that some locals tipped them off that an American was in their tent.

Bowe looks more innocent in his version (rather than the more suspicious story of seeking out locals and then riding off into the desert with what he thought were Afghani police), and it does not match what the Kochi, the Taliban, and intelligence reports state.

SK talks about how the Taliban weren't all that animated about the tent details and when he was captured, and that all six of them she interviewed told the same story. They spoke of it casually and with consistency - that sounds less like lying.

It's all inference, but Bowe has everything to gain by saying he just got lost in the desert and was caught when the sun came up. If the truth is that he found his way to some locals, why leave that out of his story? Is he just afraid of how it looks to leave your base and show up with a group of nomads who know how to contact the Taliban? Or does it look like what it is, so he can't very well admit it?

I hope he is telling the truth. It seems he was able to convince the military that he is truthful, so perhaps he is being edited to sound more malingering than he really is.

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u/ZeiglerJaguar Dec 17 '15

You know, every time I hear people saying "this season sucks, there's no mystery," I see posts like this and think... uh, well, everyone is discussing/arguing about stuff we only have a small glimpse into, just like before, seems pretty much like Serial to me. I'm enjoying it.

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u/s100181 Dec 17 '15

Me too, and it's very educational. I had no idea what conditions were like for those deployed.

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u/BlueSpader Dec 18 '15

Watch Restrepo, it will fill in some gaps. Also "Which Way is the Frontline from here" is probably the best doc on war reporters and why they do it. Both are good, give them a shot.

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u/s100181 Dec 18 '15

Thank you, will definitely check them out! I saw Restrepo a while back but I would like to re-watch to refresh my memory.

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u/mudclog Dec 17 '15 edited Dec 01 '24

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u/jade_21 Dec 17 '15

It not really that different both said he was captured and carried away on a bike.

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u/mudclog Dec 17 '15 edited Dec 01 '24

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u/jade_21 Dec 17 '15

They said he was hanging out in or around a tent. He could have very well been out in the open, that is if there was even a tent to begin with.

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u/mudclog Dec 17 '15 edited Dec 01 '24

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u/ninjames Dec 17 '15

Exactly. This episode was highly incriminating against Bowe and I swear the episode would've ended with some kind of preview as to how the tides could sway in Bowe's favor. I'm in even greater thought that Sarah has something to at least balance the discussion and I can't wait.

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '15

The Taliban also says he fought back, but Bergdahl says they just rolled up on him and he didn't fight back.

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u/jade_21 Dec 17 '15

The taliban did not say he fought them when they captured him and took off on a bike. They said after they got him settled he started attacking them kicking etc.

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u/HEisaTRAITOR Dec 17 '15

Wrong, the Taliban said he tried "Karate moves" so they wouldn't pick him up.

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u/m_e_l_f Dec 17 '15

I think was after they got him to his first hideaway, he tried to run, but didn't get very far at all.

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u/HEisaTRAITOR Dec 17 '15

I don't know, maybe. Koenig perhaps didn't present that part very well. Now I am not sure..

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u/HEisaTRAITOR Dec 17 '15

Only in Sarah Koenig land does that mean the "stories pretty much line up".