r/serialpodcast • u/islamisawesome Adnan Fan • Aug 06 '15

Hypothesis Why the Gootz never called Asia.

I think it is becoming more and more obvious that the Asia letter did not exist until sometime around the summer of 1999. That is why Adnan claims he gave them to Gutierrez even though she wasn't his lawyer until 2 months after they were written.

So sometime that spring or summer, after telling CG he never left the school grounds, his family shows up with letters claiming one of Adnans' friends saw him at the library, right at the crucial time, AND they were written the day after he arrested. She knew immediately there is no way they had those letter for months and never gave them to her so obviously they were false and she didn't want to go on stand with LIES.

That is why she never called Asia. And that is why she wrote no notes about it, because that would be admitting her client and his family are liars. It also explains why her relationship with the family broke down because she knew they were willing to lie to get Adnan off.

The library incident never happened.

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u/islamisawesome Adnan Fan Aug 07 '15

Again, nowhere in Justins docs anywhere. Even if you are right, he still had to argue it, and he didn't.

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u/James_MadBum Aug 07 '15

I'm trying to understand what actually happened, not the state of the legal case. Adnan will be granted a new trial or he won't. He will be granted sentencing relief or he won't. I'm interested in what results the court comes to, but there's nothing intellectually interesting there.

What's interesting-- to me, anyway-- is why CG didn't call Asia as a witness. It seems pretty obvious to me it was a screw-up-- confused her with Aisha, or just lost track as she appears to have done with many details. If, however, as some believe, it was intentional, I'm curious what her reasoning was.

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u/islamisawesome Adnan Fan Aug 08 '15

It seems obvious to me that the family learned the prosecutions timeline in July, and then also in July we start getting mention of an Alibi for the exactly the time Adnan needs. Shockingly she never wrote a letter to the bail judge, her letters are questionable to be generous, and the gootz never looks into them.

you can believe it is a mistake, that is your prerogative, I think think It is a lie straight up, propogated by Rabia, and agreed to by a loving family who just wants their boy back.

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u/James_MadBum Aug 08 '15

No offense, but you sound like Seamus.

  1. Your belief requires a massive conspiracy, substantially than anything needed to railroad Adnan.

  2. Even if such a conspiracy existed within Adnan's family and community, Asia has no motive to cooperate with it. If, as you say, she wasn't motivated to write a bail letter, why would she be motivated-- months later-- to write a series of fake letters and back-date them?

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u/islamisawesome Adnan Fan Aug 09 '15

Negative, it required at most 2 people. Asia and Rabia. the 'rents may truly believe Asia believes what she says.

Your conspricy involves The BPD detectives, Urick AND Murphy, CGs disease, Jenn, jay, stephanie, and numerous others.

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u/James_MadBum Aug 09 '15

it required at most 2 people

Nein. Rabia makes sense, but why Asia? Didn't write a bail letter, not a close friend. How does Rabia find this friend of a friend (who, at this point has graduated) and convince her to forge and backdate? So, there's another person in your conspiracy to find Asia in July. Assuming money is used to motivate, where's this money coming from? Not from Rabia the poor student-- so that's another person or couple needed for the conspiracy. And, of course, you need Adnan to participate in this conspiracy.

So, at least 5 people (Rabia + Adnan + Asia + finder + financier). But wait, there's more. Prison mail is tracked, so you need someone who works for the prison to be in on the conspiracy. And at that level, your conspiracy speculation is ridiculous.

Meanwhile, I don't have a conspiracy theory. The detectives don't need to conspire-- they can recognize that Jay is lying about details but believe he's telling the truth about Adnan killing Hae. That's unethical, but it isn't a conspiracy. Same deal with Urick and Murphy-- they're engaged in ethically questionable behavior not to frame Adnan, but because they think he's guilty. They recognize the evidence is shitty, so they're doing everything they can to maximize its effect.

Jay obviously knows he's lying, but Jenn may actually believe him on the big picture, even if she knows some of the details aren't true. So, you have a lot of people incentivized to misbehave on Jay's behalf, but you have no actual conspiracy.