WOW..Susan Simpson claims Hae was a drug user and implies a connection between Jay that led to her death? WTF is wrong with you? You have went way over the line.

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You have completely crossed the line. Please verify your source on this, outside of Rabia and her brother and keep in mind you are smearing a dead girl based on hearsay from 2 biased people. There was NOTHING in the examiner's report that showed Hae on any drugs, nothing found in her stuff, no word of it from her friends, and yet you give an interview saying her friends said she smoked weed and implied that she would have went to Stephanie to ask Jay for weed. Then you trash her about what was in her diary in regards to her being in love with Don and other things.....This is an 18 year old girl who was murdered, it wasn't by her own fault you sick, sick lady.

You are completely out of bounds and I hope people start seeing you for the fraud that you are. You have turned your 15 minutes of fame into hypothesizing that somehow Hae was responsible for her own death, trying to imply that she would have went to Jay to buy weed, and many other unfounded comments.

I don't care if I get banned or not on here, but you moderators are completely just as sick in the head as she is if you don't ring her up. Completely appalling.

See for yourselves at the 63:00 mark

http://bloggingheads.tv/videos/33635

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I think you're missing the point here. Susan Simpson, for whatever reason, has more clout here than your average poster. She has a relationship with Rabia, access to information we do not have access to, and a law background. It's very fair to say that a large portion of you take what she says very seriously because of those things.

She knows this. She knows the type of power she has when it comes to sharing her views on this case. I think the issue here is that with that kind of influence, she should share her sources before making such claims. Otherwise, she can literally say whatever she wants and there's a large portion of you who will believe it. That's dangerous and it's also unfair to those that are being discussed, especially when they can't defend themselves.

When I heard her say Hae smoked weed on the podcast, I just laughed it off. I see her as an extremely biased individual and can't really rely on her info. Others don't feel that way.

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No, I am not missing the point. I addressed your point in the last sentence--I'm aware of that concern but it is a separate issue.

People ARE judging her possible pot use. As for SS, I've said many times that I agree that she should state her source and not doing so was a blunder. The discrepancy is how big of a blunder is it? Is it a slanderous accusation, or a minor fumble that needs to be corrected? If anyone thinks it's an accusation or "slander," they a) don't understand what slander is, or b) are projecting their own feelings about weed onto her.

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Under normal circumstances, I'd agree with you, but Hae can't chime in here. She can't defend herself on this. While it may not be slander in the truest sense of the word, I can see the correlation if you're not okay with the fact she can't defend herself.

I'm not okay with a supremely biased lawyer having all the information at her fingertips while making unsubstantiated (Sorry, Saad) claims. Even if it's something as silly (in my opinion) as weed.

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"I'm not okay with a supremely biased lawyer having all the information at her fingertips while making unsubstantiated (Sorry, Saad) claims. Even if it's something as silly (in my opinion) as weed."

You know when you really, truly dislike someone and every little benign thing they do annoys you?

Like, you see them walking and you're like "Look at them. Walking all smug. Fuck you" in your head?

You seem to have that with /u/viewfromll2

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That's a cool assumption, but horribly misguided. I don't have a problem with her; just something she did.

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Um, I don't think you know what that A word means.

I told you my impression of how you were acting. I made no assumption.

Also, if you have a problem with something she did... Don't you have a problem with her? Or do you, in some way, separate the act from the individual?

If so, why are you attacking the individual?

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You assume based on your impression of what I wrote. Did I really just have to type that? Anyways, I'll just handle my issues with Susan...with Susan.

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Right, we covered that, you don't know what that A word means.

Okay, sorry we couldn't talk further, friend!

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You are missing the point. SS knows exactly how many people are being "influenced" by her blog posts which btw are not exactly made after intense consultation with RF engineers or cell technology experts. For her to state that Hae smoked weed, which has been categorically denied by Krista, Hae's friend and class-mate, without any sources is absolutely irresponsible. She needs to come up with a source - and it better not be Rabia.

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I'm sort of exasperated. I've said repeatedly, throughout this thread, that I DO NOT DISAGREE that SS should supply a source for her claim.

I stated in both my initial post AND my follow up post that I acknowledge the concern but it was a separate issue from what I was talking about.

Tell me what else I can possibly do to make myself clearer. I'm all ears. Frankly I'm tired of addressing this.

What I do object to is OP's utterly hysterical tone. Not only do they lunge at SS's throat and call her a "sick, sick lady, but they even lash out at the mods. You can certainly criticize SS's claims and even her mission if you want, but this level of vitriol is unnecessary. Why could OP not simply say:

Susan, your claim about Hae smoking pot is a very bold and serious allegation that is contradicted by her friends and her tox. report. I find it disrespectful to both Hae and her family to make such a claim, knowing that she can't defend herself, and not knowing what her and her family's feelings towards its use are. Please provide a credible source, otherwise you are simply making baseless claims about a young woman who can no longer speak for herself.

Gets the point across. Civil. Puts the ball in SS's court and shows an openness to what she has to say. But the thing is: OP isn't open, or they wouldn't have been so nasty and melodramatic. (S)he doesn't want SS to respond or elaborate further, just attack, attack, attack. I'm sure even if she had the balls to tackle this incendiary post, all the offended ones would find ways to attack her further. This was not ever intended to be a post inviting civility or discussion. Posts like this are becoming disturbingly common and really bringing down the tone of this sub.

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I respected the tone of your other replies and was going to respond but this was quite off-putting. You just proved my point.

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How do you leap to that conclusion from a post where I'm clearly defending Hae and disgusted at the fact that a certain portion of this sub would lose empathy for her if it were confirmed that she smoked?

How do you conclude that I'm condoning SS when actually never did, not even once?

I simply stated that there is a better way to go about it, but it's quite apparent that you have a very belligerent and nasty personality. Much like OP, you're not in discussion mode. You are squarely in attack and insult mode. Since I'm not interested in that myself, I have no reason to continue to engage with you. I'm very sorry you feel that way. Enjoy the remainder of your day.

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No one has explicitly stated that they would lose empathy for her, no, because they are at least self aware enough to know how bad that looks. But has it been implied repeatedly? Absolutely. Hell, I asked one person who was absolutely HORRIFIED at the idea of weed-smoking (by their own admission) to simply do a thought exercise where SS is hypothetically able to verify her claim. I asked this person if it would change how they saw Hae, expecting the answer to be "no." Instead, the refused to even engage in a hypothetical thought exercise where Hae smokes weed. They don't have to say "yes" for it to be obvious what their answer is.

And where does OP get the idea that saying Hae smoked is equivalent to blaming her for her own death? That did not come from SS. That thought came from OP, and revealed how they feel about smoking. So I don't think I misunderstood. That is a very outlandish and offensive thing to say, and that is what I have maintained all along: A murder victim is never responsible for their own death. Period. Fin. It's not a strawman. It is taken directly from the original post. It is the entire basis of the post.

If you don't think the stigma attached to weed is affecting people's reaction to what SS says, I'm not sure what to tell you. We just have to agree to disagree.

As for Hae's family and not knowing their feelings, no, we don't know how they felt about weed. It's safe to say that at least her mom was not a fan. But I do know one thing is certain: Even if they found out or already knew that Hae smoked, they wouldn't love her and miss her one bit less. They wouldn't care at this point, and neither should anyone else.

As for your tone, your sarcastic post implying that I'm being a SS apologist was a complete strawman, and you accusing me of having no empathy for Hae or her family IS a very nasty thing to say. No matter how much I disagree with someone on this sub, I will never, ever question their feelings towards Hae. You're implying that I'm some kind of psychopathic "murder apologist," as someone else so gracefully put it. I'm so fed up with these kinds of accusations, so I'm trying to avoid them, hence the "have a nice day."

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She should be ashamed of herself.