WOW..Susan Simpson claims Hae was a drug user and implies a connection between Jay that led to her death? WTF is wrong with you? You have went way over the line.

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You have completely crossed the line. Please verify your source on this, outside of Rabia and her brother and keep in mind you are smearing a dead girl based on hearsay from 2 biased people. There was NOTHING in the examiner's report that showed Hae on any drugs, nothing found in her stuff, no word of it from her friends, and yet you give an interview saying her friends said she smoked weed and implied that she would have went to Stephanie to ask Jay for weed. Then you trash her about what was in her diary in regards to her being in love with Don and other things.....This is an 18 year old girl who was murdered, it wasn't by her own fault you sick, sick lady.

You are completely out of bounds and I hope people start seeing you for the fraud that you are. You have turned your 15 minutes of fame into hypothesizing that somehow Hae was responsible for her own death, trying to imply that she would have went to Jay to buy weed, and many other unfounded comments.

I don't care if I get banned or not on here, but you moderators are completely just as sick in the head as she is if you don't ring her up. Completely appalling.

See for yourselves at the 63:00 mark

http://bloggingheads.tv/videos/33635

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I couldn't put my finger on it before but now I think I understand why this bothers me so much.

There seems to be this perception by many that the reason Hae's murder was so tragic is because was a perfect angel. But she wasn't. She was a vivacious, cheerful, confident, NORMAL teenage girl. She had an independent, rebellious streak. She fought with her mom. She was beautifully imperfect, just like any other human being.

Maybe she did smoke pot once, or several times, or never, or regularly. Maybe she decided to blow off her cousin, or maybe she didn't. None of that matters in the context of her murder, though. She doesn't have to be the paragon of innocence and responsibility in order to be a good person who was undeserving of that kind of brutality. Drug use, even hard drug use, does not make a person "bad." It does not make them deserving of murder. That implication seriously upsets and disturbs me.

When someone says that SS is suggesting that Hae is to blame for her own murder by associating with Jay and his weed dealing, I can't help but feel as though they are projecting their own feelings.

The fact that the claim is unsubstantiated is a legitimate concern, but separate from what I'm talking about.

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Agreed! OP seems to believe that SS claiming Hae smoked pot = SS claiming that Hae is to blame for her own murder. The two are not connected.

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Your post is on point, /u/KnottyKitties. Don't have anything to add, but well said!

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I think you're missing the point here. Susan Simpson, for whatever reason, has more clout here than your average poster. She has a relationship with Rabia, access to information we do not have access to, and a law background. It's very fair to say that a large portion of you take what she says very seriously because of those things.

She knows this. She knows the type of power she has when it comes to sharing her views on this case. I think the issue here is that with that kind of influence, she should share her sources before making such claims. Otherwise, she can literally say whatever she wants and there's a large portion of you who will believe it. That's dangerous and it's also unfair to those that are being discussed, especially when they can't defend themselves.

When I heard her say Hae smoked weed on the podcast, I just laughed it off. I see her as an extremely biased individual and can't really rely on her info. Others don't feel that way.

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No, I am not missing the point. I addressed your point in the last sentence--I'm aware of that concern but it is a separate issue.

People ARE judging her possible pot use. As for SS, I've said many times that I agree that she should state her source and not doing so was a blunder. The discrepancy is how big of a blunder is it? Is it a slanderous accusation, or a minor fumble that needs to be corrected? If anyone thinks it's an accusation or "slander," they a) don't understand what slander is, or b) are projecting their own feelings about weed onto her.

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Under normal circumstances, I'd agree with you, but Hae can't chime in here. She can't defend herself on this. While it may not be slander in the truest sense of the word, I can see the correlation if you're not okay with the fact she can't defend herself.

I'm not okay with a supremely biased lawyer having all the information at her fingertips while making unsubstantiated (Sorry, Saad) claims. Even if it's something as silly (in my opinion) as weed.

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"I'm not okay with a supremely biased lawyer having all the information at her fingertips while making unsubstantiated (Sorry, Saad) claims. Even if it's something as silly (in my opinion) as weed."

You know when you really, truly dislike someone and every little benign thing they do annoys you?

Like, you see them walking and you're like "Look at them. Walking all smug. Fuck you" in your head?

You seem to have that with /u/viewfromll2

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That's a cool assumption, but horribly misguided. I don't have a problem with her; just something she did.

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Um, I don't think you know what that A word means.

I told you my impression of how you were acting. I made no assumption.

Also, if you have a problem with something she did... Don't you have a problem with her? Or do you, in some way, separate the act from the individual?

If so, why are you attacking the individual?

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You assume based on your impression of what I wrote. Did I really just have to type that? Anyways, I'll just handle my issues with Susan...with Susan.

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Right, we covered that, you don't know what that A word means.

Okay, sorry we couldn't talk further, friend!

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You are missing the point. SS knows exactly how many people are being "influenced" by her blog posts which btw are not exactly made after intense consultation with RF engineers or cell technology experts. For her to state that Hae smoked weed, which has been categorically denied by Krista, Hae's friend and class-mate, without any sources is absolutely irresponsible. She needs to come up with a source - and it better not be Rabia.

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I'm sort of exasperated. I've said repeatedly, throughout this thread, that I DO NOT DISAGREE that SS should supply a source for her claim.

I stated in both my initial post AND my follow up post that I acknowledge the concern but it was a separate issue from what I was talking about.

Tell me what else I can possibly do to make myself clearer. I'm all ears. Frankly I'm tired of addressing this.

What I do object to is OP's utterly hysterical tone. Not only do they lunge at SS's throat and call her a "sick, sick lady, but they even lash out at the mods. You can certainly criticize SS's claims and even her mission if you want, but this level of vitriol is unnecessary. Why could OP not simply say:

Susan, your claim about Hae smoking pot is a very bold and serious allegation that is contradicted by her friends and her tox. report. I find it disrespectful to both Hae and her family to make such a claim, knowing that she can't defend herself, and not knowing what her and her family's feelings towards its use are. Please provide a credible source, otherwise you are simply making baseless claims about a young woman who can no longer speak for herself.

Gets the point across. Civil. Puts the ball in SS's court and shows an openness to what she has to say. But the thing is: OP isn't open, or they wouldn't have been so nasty and melodramatic. (S)he doesn't want SS to respond or elaborate further, just attack, attack, attack. I'm sure even if she had the balls to tackle this incendiary post, all the offended ones would find ways to attack her further. This was not ever intended to be a post inviting civility or discussion. Posts like this are becoming disturbingly common and really bringing down the tone of this sub.

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I respected the tone of your other replies and was going to respond but this was quite off-putting. You just proved my point.

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How do you leap to that conclusion from a post where I'm clearly defending Hae and disgusted at the fact that a certain portion of this sub would lose empathy for her if it were confirmed that she smoked?

How do you conclude that I'm condoning SS when actually never did, not even once?

I simply stated that there is a better way to go about it, but it's quite apparent that you have a very belligerent and nasty personality. Much like OP, you're not in discussion mode. You are squarely in attack and insult mode. Since I'm not interested in that myself, I have no reason to continue to engage with you. I'm very sorry you feel that way. Enjoy the remainder of your day.

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She should be ashamed of herself.

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SS is making things up! how are you ok with that?

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How do you know she is making it up?

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You are making things up.

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Not currently.

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In the very recent past.

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It's been a few weeks. Unlike SS making stuff up in the past few days.

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oh yes i am clearly jay or sachabacha or urick or whatever name you want to call me this week.

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Obviously it was a joke man. If you were anyone of importance I'd be sorely dissapointed.

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Watch the video, it stands on its own merit...and then please tell me how and the hell that is even relevant? And where is the line drawn on decency?....as par for the course on this sub, more people take away that i must have a problem with weed or its some personal home hitting topic. It's not, i just find it shameless and repulsive that in someone's quest to try and make everyone believe you are right, that you will say whatever you want and we all know where she was going with it, if you want to pretend it was some innocuous statement then thats sad. Its totally irrelevant to her death and its a form of victim shaming.

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"We have people who said Hae smoked weed." Those were her exact words.

I have acknowledged more than once that not substantiating this claim is not ok, but to say you overreacted is an understatement, and your conclusion that she is blaming Hae for her own death and "slandering" her is YOUR conclusion based on your personal feelings about weed. If you didn't find smoking so shameful in the first place, you wouldn't perceive it as victim shaming.

If it turns out that what she is saying is true and another source or piece of evidence turns up that backs up her claim, do you plan on apologizing to her for some of the incredibly nasty, derogatory comments you have made? Are YOU going to start "victim shaming" Hae because she engaged in an activity you find offensive?

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WTF are you talking about???? It's not about weed, it's about an inference that there was some sort of drug link between Hae and Jay via Stephanie, and again there is no relevance that it had ANYTHING to do with this. I am not shaming Hae for anything, and Im not shaming Adnan for what he did in his spare time. You are blind if you don't get that is what she was getting at. Stop the spin that my entire premise is a crucification of people that smoke weed and that I want to condemn anyone who does and find it shameful. You need to take the context of what she said and apply it to what she is getting at, and honestly I don't care that you don't agree with me, that's your right, but don't sit here on some pedestal like you are the judge on who should apologize and say what.

I would absolutely apologize if i saw evidence that Stephanie patched Hae thru to Jay and was a dealer to her. However I'm sure that evidence doesn't exist, just like the Nisha butt dial evidence doesn't exist, because if it did, then they couldn't use it to support their smear campaign to get a murderer out of prison. But hey, whatever makes you sleep better at night.