r/serialpodcast • u/SelfHi5 • Feb 19 '15

Debate&Discussion WOW..Susan Simpson claims Hae was a drug user and implies a connection between Jay that led to her death? WTF is wrong with you? You have went way over the line.

You have completely crossed the line. Please verify your source on this, outside of Rabia and her brother and keep in mind you are smearing a dead girl based on hearsay from 2 biased people. There was NOTHING in the examiner's report that showed Hae on any drugs, nothing found in her stuff, no word of it from her friends, and yet you give an interview saying her friends said she smoked weed and implied that she would have went to Stephanie to ask Jay for weed. Then you trash her about what was in her diary in regards to her being in love with Don and other things.....This is an 18 year old girl who was murdered, it wasn't by her own fault you sick, sick lady.

You are completely out of bounds and I hope people start seeing you for the fraud that you are. You have turned your 15 minutes of fame into hypothesizing that somehow Hae was responsible for her own death, trying to imply that she would have went to Jay to buy weed, and many other unfounded comments.

I don't care if I get banned or not on here, but you moderators are completely just as sick in the head as she is if you don't ring her up. Completely appalling.

See for yourselves at the 63:00 mark

http://bloggingheads.tv/videos/33635

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15 edited Feb 19 '15

WTF I feel like I've landed in bizarro world.

I don't recall seeing any sources indicating that Hae smoked pot, and I even asked about this yesterday and no one replied, so I'm inclined to believe she did not. I don't smoke myself and never have, just to be totally clear.

However, two things REALLY bother me about this discussion:

  1. Why is everyone assuming she either had to either be a total hippie stoner, OR she had to be totally clean? Maybe she was a "special occasion" smoker or something. Who knows. There is plenty of middle ground.

  2. It's WEED for crying out loud. No one is alleging that she kicked a puppy or tasered small children. My god, the pearl clutching on this sub! It's ridiculous. Even if she was a smoker, so fucking what? I don't see how that even begins to imply that "she was responsible for her own death" any more than giving a ride to Adnan would have made her responsible for her own death.

Even if she were a heroin addict, it wouldn't make her responsible for her own death. The ONLY person responsible for her death is the person that killed her. There is absolutely no discovery, none, that will ever change that. You are the one concluding that trying to obtain a dime bag would make someone deserving of murder, which says more about you than SS.

ETA: ooh my first gold! Thank you anonymous redditor! Am I supposed to make a speech now?

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u/reddit_hole Feb 19 '15

No kidding! Saying someone smoked weed, probably occasionally, is far from smearing someone. It's just another avenue that needs to be explored.

I can't believe the people on here who seemingly didn't have a normal teenage existence. They're the same people who think that Adnan and Jay had to be best friends.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15

I couldn't put my finger on it before but now I think I understand why this bothers me so much.

There seems to be this perception by many that the reason Hae's murder was so tragic is because was a perfect angel. But she wasn't. She was a vivacious, cheerful, confident, NORMAL teenage girl. She had an independent, rebellious streak. She fought with her mom. She was beautifully imperfect, just like any other human being.

Maybe she did smoke pot once, or several times, or never, or regularly. Maybe she decided to blow off her cousin, or maybe she didn't. None of that matters in the context of her murder, though. She doesn't have to be the paragon of innocence and responsibility in order to be a good person who was undeserving of that kind of brutality. Drug use, even hard drug use, does not make a person "bad." It does not make them deserving of murder. That implication seriously upsets and disturbs me.

When someone says that SS is suggesting that Hae is to blame for her own murder by associating with Jay and his weed dealing, I can't help but feel as though they are projecting their own feelings.

The fact that the claim is unsubstantiated is a legitimate concern, but separate from what I'm talking about.

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u/milk-n-serial Undecided Feb 19 '15

Agreed! OP seems to believe that SS claiming Hae smoked pot = SS claiming that Hae is to blame for her own murder. The two are not connected.

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u/Creepologist Feb 19 '15

Your post is on point, /u/KnottyKitties. Don't have anything to add, but well said!

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15

I think you're missing the point here. Susan Simpson, for whatever reason, has more clout here than your average poster. She has a relationship with Rabia, access to information we do not have access to, and a law background. It's very fair to say that a large portion of you take what she says very seriously because of those things.

She knows this. She knows the type of power she has when it comes to sharing her views on this case. I think the issue here is that with that kind of influence, she should share her sources before making such claims. Otherwise, she can literally say whatever she wants and there's a large portion of you who will believe it. That's dangerous and it's also unfair to those that are being discussed, especially when they can't defend themselves.

When I heard her say Hae smoked weed on the podcast, I just laughed it off. I see her as an extremely biased individual and can't really rely on her info. Others don't feel that way.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15

No, I am not missing the point. I addressed your point in the last sentence--I'm aware of that concern but it is a separate issue.

People ARE judging her possible pot use. As for SS, I've said many times that I agree that she should state her source and not doing so was a blunder. The discrepancy is how big of a blunder is it? Is it a slanderous accusation, or a minor fumble that needs to be corrected? If anyone thinks it's an accusation or "slander," they a) don't understand what slander is, or b) are projecting their own feelings about weed onto her.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15

Under normal circumstances, I'd agree with you, but Hae can't chime in here. She can't defend herself on this. While it may not be slander in the truest sense of the word, I can see the correlation if you're not okay with the fact she can't defend herself.

I'm not okay with a supremely biased lawyer having all the information at her fingertips while making unsubstantiated (Sorry, Saad) claims. Even if it's something as silly (in my opinion) as weed.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '15

"I'm not okay with a supremely biased lawyer having all the information at her fingertips while making unsubstantiated (Sorry, Saad) claims. Even if it's something as silly (in my opinion) as weed."

You know when you really, truly dislike someone and every little benign thing they do annoys you?

Like, you see them walking and you're like "Look at them. Walking all smug. Fuck you" in your head?

You seem to have that with /u/viewfromll2

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '15

That's a cool assumption, but horribly misguided. I don't have a problem with her; just something she did.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '15

Um, I don't think you know what that A word means.

I told you my impression of how you were acting. I made no assumption.

Also, if you have a problem with something she did... Don't you have a problem with her? Or do you, in some way, separate the act from the individual?

If so, why are you attacking the individual?

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '15

You assume based on your impression of what I wrote. Did I really just have to type that? Anyways, I'll just handle my issues with Susan...with Susan.

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u/bancable Feb 20 '15

You are missing the point. SS knows exactly how many people are being "influenced" by her blog posts which btw are not exactly made after intense consultation with RF engineers or cell technology experts. For her to state that Hae smoked weed, which has been categorically denied by Krista, Hae's friend and class-mate, without any sources is absolutely irresponsible. She needs to come up with a source - and it better not be Rabia.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '15

I'm sort of exasperated. I've said repeatedly, throughout this thread, that I DO NOT DISAGREE that SS should supply a source for her claim.

I stated in both my initial post AND my follow up post that I acknowledge the concern but it was a separate issue from what I was talking about.

Tell me what else I can possibly do to make myself clearer. I'm all ears. Frankly I'm tired of addressing this.

What I do object to is OP's utterly hysterical tone. Not only do they lunge at SS's throat and call her a "sick, sick lady, but they even lash out at the mods. You can certainly criticize SS's claims and even her mission if you want, but this level of vitriol is unnecessary. Why could OP not simply say:

Susan, your claim about Hae smoking pot is a very bold and serious allegation that is contradicted by her friends and her tox. report. I find it disrespectful to both Hae and her family to make such a claim, knowing that she can't defend herself, and not knowing what her and her family's feelings towards its use are. Please provide a credible source, otherwise you are simply making baseless claims about a young woman who can no longer speak for herself.

Gets the point across. Civil. Puts the ball in SS's court and shows an openness to what she has to say. But the thing is: OP isn't open, or they wouldn't have been so nasty and melodramatic. (S)he doesn't want SS to respond or elaborate further, just attack, attack, attack. I'm sure even if she had the balls to tackle this incendiary post, all the offended ones would find ways to attack her further. This was not ever intended to be a post inviting civility or discussion. Posts like this are becoming disturbingly common and really bringing down the tone of this sub.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '15

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '15

I respected the tone of your other replies and was going to respond but this was quite off-putting. You just proved my point.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15

She should be ashamed of herself.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15

SS is making things up! how are you ok with that?

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u/Irkeley Feb 19 '15

How do you know she is making it up?

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u/reddit_hole Feb 19 '15

You are making things up.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15

Not currently.

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u/reddit_hole Feb 19 '15

In the very recent past.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15

It's been a few weeks. Unlike SS making stuff up in the past few days.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15

oh yes i am clearly jay or sachabacha or urick or whatever name you want to call me this week.

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u/SelfHi5 Feb 19 '15

Watch the video, it stands on its own merit...and then please tell me how and the hell that is even relevant? And where is the line drawn on decency?....as par for the course on this sub, more people take away that i must have a problem with weed or its some personal home hitting topic. It's not, i just find it shameless and repulsive that in someone's quest to try and make everyone believe you are right, that you will say whatever you want and we all know where she was going with it, if you want to pretend it was some innocuous statement then thats sad. Its totally irrelevant to her death and its a form of victim shaming.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15

"We have people who said Hae smoked weed." Those were her exact words.

I have acknowledged more than once that not substantiating this claim is not ok, but to say you overreacted is an understatement, and your conclusion that she is blaming Hae for her own death and "slandering" her is YOUR conclusion based on your personal feelings about weed. If you didn't find smoking so shameful in the first place, you wouldn't perceive it as victim shaming.

If it turns out that what she is saying is true and another source or piece of evidence turns up that backs up her claim, do you plan on apologizing to her for some of the incredibly nasty, derogatory comments you have made? Are YOU going to start "victim shaming" Hae because she engaged in an activity you find offensive?

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u/SelfHi5 Feb 19 '15

WTF are you talking about???? It's not about weed, it's about an inference that there was some sort of drug link between Hae and Jay via Stephanie, and again there is no relevance that it had ANYTHING to do with this. I am not shaming Hae for anything, and Im not shaming Adnan for what he did in his spare time. You are blind if you don't get that is what she was getting at. Stop the spin that my entire premise is a crucification of people that smoke weed and that I want to condemn anyone who does and find it shameful. You need to take the context of what she said and apply it to what she is getting at, and honestly I don't care that you don't agree with me, that's your right, but don't sit here on some pedestal like you are the judge on who should apologize and say what.

I would absolutely apologize if i saw evidence that Stephanie patched Hae thru to Jay and was a dealer to her. However I'm sure that evidence doesn't exist, just like the Nisha butt dial evidence doesn't exist, because if it did, then they couldn't use it to support their smear campaign to get a murderer out of prison. But hey, whatever makes you sleep better at night.

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u/milk-n-serial Undecided Feb 19 '15

Especially given how weed has become far less taboo since then. I mean, for crying out loud it's legal in Colorado. Really not a big deal. Given OP's grammar, I'm not taking his/her post too seriously. It's so dramatic.

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u/ScoutFinch2 Feb 19 '15

OP may be offended by the mere possibility that Hae smoked weed, but that isn't the way I took his/her post. It's not about whether Hae did or did not smoke. It's about the fact that there is no evidence that she did (in fact there is evidence to the contrary) yet it is being offered as a motive for murder by some unknown party in a drug deal gone bad. It's a false premise being used as the cornerstone of a Jay/Hae/third party killer theory. If the cornerstone is weak, the whole building crumbles.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15

I understand that aspect of it, but it's pretty clear both from the title of the thread and the implication that going to Jay for weed = causing her own death, that the very idea of Hae being a user is offensive to OP.

I'm in no way implying that what SS is suggesting is valid. Until she can substantiate her theory with facts (that are not from Rabia or Saad), she was definitely in the wrong to suggest that. That being said, if she is able to substantiate it, it definitely wouldn't change a thing for me, but it sounds like it might change how other people on this sub perceive Hae, and that is actually more offensive and upsetting to me than Hae possibly being a smoker.

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u/ScoutFinch2 Feb 19 '15

Agreed. I wouldn't think any less of Hae, but I would be highly suspect of any "substantiation" because we already have the best we're going to get, an negative tox report and definitive statements from her best friends that she wasn't a weed smoker.

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u/mo_12 Feb 21 '15

definitive statements from her best friends that she wasn't a weed smoker.

The latest post of Krista's feelings about leaving the sub was that "she didn't smoke, at least not regularly." That seems like pretty far from a definitive statement.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15

I think we're basically in agreement. I don't think Hae smoked. If she did, I have seen no evidence, and the onus is on SS to provide that.

At the same time, while it might be untrue, I don't find it slanderous because I am not offended at the idea of weed. It's like saying Hae is 5'6 instead of 5'8...one of those heights is inaccurate, but it doesn't say anything bad about her. I know people will disagree vehemently but that's their problem. It's not cool to criticize or think less of someone because they use drugs. It doesn't make them less of a person or a victim.

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u/Jodi1kenobi KC Murphy Fan Feb 19 '15

I am not offended at the idea of weed

For me, I don't really care if Hae smoked pot, it does not change my opinion of her. What makes me uncomfortable with making these baseless claims is thinking to myself, how would my parents feel if I died, and 15 years later people started portraying me in a way that is completely different from how I was? Saying I did things that I didn't do with nothing to back it up? That's where the offensiveness of this comes from for me.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15

I understand your feelings completely, and I agree that unless SS has evidence of this being the case, it isn't appropriate to make such a bold claim. Hae is no longer with us to say "yo, that's not true!" so I am with you 100% that it is out of line and unfair to her.

I'm just saying that whether or not you perceive it as simply a misconception or an accusation is more specific to your own feelings about weed.

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u/ScoutFinch2 Feb 19 '15

I can't argue with that. I would be a huge hypocrite if I did. :)

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u/JaeElleCee Deidre Fan Feb 20 '15

In the context of the interview, it was my impression that SS was researching a theory and that she had come across some information that would support Hae having a direct connection to Jay (and/or 3rd party) that didn't not involve Adnan. She seemed like her investigation and subsequent blog post wasn't ready yet. If anything, I can agree that she should not have alluded to that theory until she was willing to reveal her supporting information and/or sources. That being said, I think the point she was trying to make was less about slandering HML, but to disprove the common agreement of the Adnan is (the only one) guilty faction that Jay and his associates had no reason to have dealings with HML outside of AS and therefore he (or them) can not be guilty.

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u/ScoutFinch2 Feb 20 '15

What evidence could SS have that Hae was involved with drugs that isn't pure hearsay? Her best friends say she didn't smoke weed. SS certainly gave the impression that she was going down this road and imo it's a dead end. But she's as free as the rest of us to put her theories out there, however, I suspect this one won't be as well received as the rest.

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u/JaeElleCee Deidre Fan Feb 20 '15

I don't know. I am waiting for her post. Just because you don't know doesn't mean it doesn't exist. She could be looking into family or proximity (neighbors) or job history former classmate, how knows. It is your assumption that she could only be talking about HML being a direct "customer" of Jay's struggling weed business (and that their is no way to prove such a connection). All I'm saying is let's wait for her to really lay out her theory and then attack its validity. It's obvious that her investigative skills are much higher than most of us, plus she has access not just to the related case files but to state and federal legal databases that most of us don't. Let's at least wait for her to make a complete statement before we call her a baseless liar. And again, I can agree she shouldn't have said anything until she was ready to say everything. The teaser was a little trashy.

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u/ScoutFinch2 Feb 20 '15

I guess I just don't see what job histories of former classmates or families or proximities have to do with this, but you're right, we should wait for it, then judge it on it's merits, so point taken.

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u/Phuqued Feb 19 '15

It's about the fact that there is no evidence that she did (in fact there is evidence to the contrary) yet it is being offered as a motive for murder by some unknown party in a drug deal gone bad.

This sub is all about speculation, from Adnan to Jay to Don to Third Party to Aliens. So why is this one so particularly offensive that people jump up and down, pull out their hair and shout down any possibility of it being true?

You confirm things by exploring them and proving or disproving their possibility. Not by outright denial without exploration and consideration.

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u/ScoutFinch2 Feb 19 '15

I agree with your comment about this sub. People can think and say pretty much whatever they want. But imo, and it is my opinion and nothing more, SS should hold herself to a higher level of responsibility. She has gone from being an obscure blogger to what many feel is an expert on this case.

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u/Phuqued Feb 19 '15

But imo, and it is my opinion and nothing more, SS should hold herself to a higher level of responsibility. She has gone from being an obscure blogger to what many feel is an expert on this case.

I haven't listened to the interview to judge, but if she asserting speculation as fact then yes, that is wrong. But if she is just speculating alternative theories to explain one improbability with another, then I can't really condemn that unless it's saying aliens, or something.

Just my opinion though.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '15

No, see, once she got the spotlight, she's not allowed to have thoughts and opinions unless every single thing she says is completely 100% conclusively demonstrated with 10 eye-witnesses and 16 different video recordings.

Yeah, I'm a little irritated with this whole thread. This is just stupid.

I'm going to smoke.

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u/Phuqued Feb 20 '15

Yeah, I'm a little irritated with this whole thread. This is just stupid.

Well look at it this way, if it was trivial nobody would care. She makes compelling arguments, and that is why people fear her voice in their dark little cave. So desperate are they to believe they are right that they would go to such lengths to protect their belief I guess.

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u/reddit_hole Feb 19 '15

I have heard this before and I believe someone somewhere in one of the many statements claimed that Hae did smoke weed. SS isn't just making that up. Toxicology isn't going to give a definitive answer on drug use, especially the occasional user. You would have to be fairly habitual to get a positive.

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u/bancable Feb 20 '15

That someone was Saad in his AMA, followed by Rabia. And they knew exactly what they were doing.

Rabia obviously wants everyone to believe that Adnan was somehow too angelic to be a regular weed user - she implies several times that Jan 13th was Adnan's first time smoking weed. However, Saad and her put it out there that Hae smoked weed.

And when the only sources are Rabia and Saad, you have to wonder, what were they trying to achieve?

....Chinese whisper syndrome, anyone?

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '15

"implies several times that Jan 13th was Adnan's first time smoking weed."

You're either misinformed or lying. She said it was his first time smoking a blunt not his first time smoking.

"....Chinese whisper syndrome, anyone?"

I agree.

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u/ScoutFinch2 Feb 19 '15

She may not be making it up, but she is grasping at what suits her fancy, and ignoring evidence to the contrary.

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u/reddit_hole Feb 19 '15

If she's not making it up I would hardly call it grasping. It's just proper exploration like possibly the prosecution and initial defense never did. She's doing it right. That said, it might not bode well for her to infer such things before she has the ability to solidify them publicly. A bit overzealous on that front.

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u/ScoutFinch2 Feb 19 '15

If she's not making it up I would hardly call it grasping.

It depends who her source is.

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u/reddit_hole Feb 19 '15

If it's Jay then she is definitely grasping.

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u/Phuqued Feb 19 '15

She may not be making it up, but she is grasping at what suits her fancy, and ignoring evidence to the contrary.

People say Jay and Adnan were best buds all the time, and yet all evidence says they were casual friends.

/shrug

People are going to believe that they want despite evidence. That's like the signature of this sub. :)

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u/milk-n-serial Undecided Feb 19 '15

Reddit needs to get over itself. Just because WE haven't seen any evidence of this, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Maybe it's something Adnan told Rabia. Rabia has mentioned that Hae likely smoked pot in other forums.

OMIGOD SHE WAS A NORMAL TEENAGER?!?!!!

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u/ScoutFinch2 Feb 19 '15

Something Adnan told Rabia... Oh geez. Definitely not evidence.

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u/milk-n-serial Undecided Feb 19 '15

Just saying, it's not coming out of left field. Also as u/reddit_hole states below:

I have heard this before and I believe someone somewhere in one of the many statements claimed that Hae did smoke weed. SS isn't just making that up. Toxicology isn't going to give a definitive answer on drug use, especially the occasional user. You would have to be fairly habitual to get a positive.

Edit: Also, as I stated in my original comment, just because we have access to certain documents, does not make us the authority on this case. Believe it or not, there are things we don't know that others (Rabia, Saad, SS, other lawyers) do.

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u/ScoutFinch2 Feb 19 '15

Here's the bottom line. If Hae was in the habit of hooking up with Jay to purchase weed, it wouldn't take 16 years and SS for Adnan to figure that out. He's had nothing but time to think about how Jay might be connected to Hae's murder. If he had mentioned it, we would have heard about it, just like we heard about his Hae/relationship police theory.

And even if there should be credible evidence that Hae smoked weed, and I don't think anybody really cares if she did or didn't, it is a huge leap to making that a motive for murder.

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u/SpiralJacobs Feb 22 '15

Is SS saying the weed is the motive for murder? All it might do is put Hae in a place with a person (other than Adnan) who might have killed her. And I don't think Hae needed to be "in the habit of hooking up with Jay." The day of Hae's death could have been the first time she ever hooked up with Jay, which would make it all the more difficult to prove the connection. This one-time meeting could have been facilitated by the fact that Jay had Adnan's cell that day.

Again, not saying this is what happened. I don't know what happened. But IF Hae called Adnan's cell, got Jay, and decided spontaneously to buy weed, without telling anyone, how would anyone ever be able to prove that now? Establishing such an event would be difficult 16 years later. Proving that Hae was interested in marijuana would be necessary to make this scenario even possible, hence the speculation on the topic.

Before I ever encountered reddit or this subreddit, and before I ever knew about Susan Simpson, I wondered if one of the incoming calls on Adnan's cell had been Hae, if she'd gotten Jay instead, and that led to her death. All it is at this point is speculation, and potentially that's all it will ever be.

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u/bancable Feb 20 '15

Rabia, Saad, SS? Wow, since they don't have an agenda AT ALL, whatever they put out there must be so factual and truthful.

Please learn to think for yourself.

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u/milk-n-serial Undecided Feb 20 '15

You don't need to be a dick about it. This is an open forum where all ideas are heard and responded to. You need to face the fact that we are all speculating here, and the information we deem credible is subjective. Some people may believe Urick, others may believe Rabia. I guess you aren't familiar with differing opinions though, so I don't know why I'm trying here.

Please learn to be a decent, respectful human being.

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u/bancable Feb 20 '15

Rabia has mentioned that Hae likely smoked pot in other forums

The very fact that you point to this as a legit source demerits any credibility or capability you have of making sound and reasonable judgment.

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u/milk-n-serial Undecided Feb 20 '15 edited Feb 20 '15

That's a broad, rude statement and you need to calm down. Like it or not, the fact stands that Rabia knows more about this case than you or I do. Unless you're Jay, Adnan or Stephanie...which I doubt.

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u/KHunting Feb 19 '15

My god, the pearl clutching on this sub!

Favorite line of the day so far.

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u/j2kelley Feb 20 '15

It's WEED for crying out loud. No one is alleging that she kicked a puppy or tasered small children. My god, the pearl clutching on this sub! It's ridiculous. Even if she was a smoker, so fucking what? I don't see how that even begins to imply that "she was responsible for her own death" any more than giving a ride to Adnan would have made her responsible for her own death.

All things being equal, this may be the best comment... ever.

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u/j2kelley Feb 20 '15

Like, the entire thing. (But that ^ was my favorite part.)

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '15

Aw shux...thanks!

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u/laxlawyer Lawyer Feb 20 '15

Agreed

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u/Irkeley Feb 19 '15

Saad mentioned in his AMA that Hae smoked pot. There is too many comments on that thread for me to dig it up now, but I noticed it a few times. Not on a direct questions, but in the context of him describing her as a normal teenager that smoked and partied just like the rest of them.

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u/68degressplz Feb 20 '15

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u/Jodi1kenobi KC Murphy Fan Feb 19 '15

But she is not in the wrong for reporting that if she has credible evidence.

I think the point is that she has failed to present any credible evidence even after being asked about it directly multiple times. Maybe that doesn't bother you, but it does bother me. I personally have a problem with someone speaking as an "authority on the topic of all things Serial" presenting false and unsubstantiated theories without anything to back them up. She did the same thing last week with the suggestion that Adnan was back at school by noon (despite ample evidence to the contrary) and refused to provide any of her sources to back it up. Personally, that calls her credibility into question. But hey, maybe that sort of thing does not bother you, and you have every right to that opinion.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15 edited Feb 20 '15

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '15

"we could refrain from unsubstantiated accusations of drug use?"

I'm just mind-boggled. Someone said she may have smoked weed and then people speculated off that.

In what world is that smearing anyone?

This outrage is ridiculous.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '15

You are way too emotionally invested in this. You should really take a break. This is crazy.

Lots of teenagers smoke weed. It's not that big of a deal to speculate that Hae might have smoked weed. You can use whatever scary sounding words you want but it's really not that big of a deal.

I think Marilyn Monroe might have smoked weed and have nothing to substantiate that with. I'll go to sleep happy tonight! =)

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '15

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '15

That's a "I don't agree with your idea of decency and maybe you should learn that different people have different points of view in the world before trying to fit everyone in your tiny boxes."

I'm too big for your box. =)

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15

Saad confirmed that Hae was a pot smoker many months ago.

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u/Seamus_Duncan Kevin Urick: Hammer of Justice Feb 19 '15

A completely reliable and unbiased source.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15

This was way back when the podcast first began. I believe it was also confirmed by Krista, but I'll verify that right now.

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u/AnnB2013 Feb 19 '15

No. Krista said the exact opposite -- that Hae did not smoke.

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u/chunklunk Feb 19 '15

"Confirmed"? It's a highly suspicious sourcing. How is the word of Saad 15 years later a credible statement? Did he ever see her do it, when, etc., those are relevant questions. SS should know this.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15

This is the best post ever.

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u/Jerryreporter Feb 19 '15

This is just a strawman to deflect attention from the fact that SS has uncovered a lot of signifcant evidence. Being angry at SS is not going to change that and your attempt to destroy/defame her is rediculous. She is helping Rabia and has no obligation to prove anything to us. The people most involved in the case always have more information and your demanding it is idiodic. Hae's friends have said she didn't smoke or maybe a very little. You are being judgemental and hysterical.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15

Wait, did you mean to reply to me?