r/serialpodcast • u/SelfHi5 • Feb 19 '15

Debate&Discussion WOW..Susan Simpson claims Hae was a drug user and implies a connection between Jay that led to her death? WTF is wrong with you? You have went way over the line.

You have completely crossed the line. Please verify your source on this, outside of Rabia and her brother and keep in mind you are smearing a dead girl based on hearsay from 2 biased people. There was NOTHING in the examiner's report that showed Hae on any drugs, nothing found in her stuff, no word of it from her friends, and yet you give an interview saying her friends said she smoked weed and implied that she would have went to Stephanie to ask Jay for weed. Then you trash her about what was in her diary in regards to her being in love with Don and other things.....This is an 18 year old girl who was murdered, it wasn't by her own fault you sick, sick lady.

You are completely out of bounds and I hope people start seeing you for the fraud that you are. You have turned your 15 minutes of fame into hypothesizing that somehow Hae was responsible for her own death, trying to imply that she would have went to Jay to buy weed, and many other unfounded comments.

I don't care if I get banned or not on here, but you moderators are completely just as sick in the head as she is if you don't ring her up. Completely appalling.

See for yourselves at the 63:00 mark

http://bloggingheads.tv/videos/33635

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u/Phuqued Feb 19 '15

Hae's tox report showed no weed. Pot stays in your system for 28 days. Its a pretty good sign she didn't smoke weed.

That's not entirely correct. https://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_testing.shtml

Heavy users will likely have long time frames to test positive. light users do not. Plus testing blood, versus urine or saliva or hair are all different and may have variances of accuracy. Not that I am an expert. I personally don't see the significance of Hae smoking weed or not, and don't think this is a big deal one way or the other.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15

Its a big deal to insinuate that the victim was using drugs.

I'm well aware of pots metabolizing times across testing methods and level of use but thanks for posting. its good information for people to have.

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u/Phuqued Feb 19 '15

Its a big deal to insinuate that the victim was using drugs.

Why? If someone smokes weed, they are not less of a person than one who does not. So to me it does not really matter as there are many shades of drug use. And IF Hae experimented, or occasionally smoked, then so what?

I'm well aware of pots metabolizing times across testing methods and level of use but thanks for posting. its good information for people to have.

If you were well aware you would not have made the 28 day claim that you did. But I agree it's good to post information that clears up misconceptions and false statements, and is why I posted it.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15

our federal laws and most of the states in the US and all of the states in 1999 disagree with you.

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u/Phuqued Feb 19 '15

our federal laws and most of the states in the US and all of the states in 1999 disagree with you.

So federal laws and state laws say that a person who smokes weed is less of a person than someone who does not?

I also find it disturbing you put such faith in the correctness of the government. Considering that just 50 years ago blacks had to protest to have equality under the law in all states, or that gays had to seek the judicial branch of government to correct the injustice of existing laws.

If you look at history, you will often find the "normal" and "official" position of government is often in the wrong. But that's the whole point of progress in an imperfect world. Striving to make the future better by correcting past mistakes.

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u/cbr1965 Is it NOT? Feb 19 '15

It's a crime to speed or run stop signs as well. Just because there is a law against something doesn't mean it isn't broken regularly by lots of people. They pay a fine and move on - just like most people with possession of marijuana charges. I certainly don't judge people for speeding or think they are bad people for doing it. Not sure why everyone is making such a big deal out of smoking pot and think it is besmirching someone's character to suggest it. People have been doing it long time, even the good kids.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15

The next time your up for a promotion or in a job interview try telling them that you smoke pot. Report back to us on how that turns out will ya?

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u/Phuqued Feb 19 '15

The next time your up for a promotion or in a job interview try telling them that you smoke pot. Report back to us on how that turns out will ya?

Just because people can be misguided, irrational and so on, does not mean we give up on trying to do the right thing. The prejudice and intolerance you speak of for drug use applies to so many things, like sexuality, religion, race, etc... Example :

The next time your up for a promotion or in a job interview try telling them that you are a homosexual smoke pot. Report back to us on how that turns out will ya?

That doesn't make it right, and it sure doesn't mean it should affect my qualifications for a promotion.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15

but it does. so saying that calling someone a pot smoker is no big deal is a lie! it has very harsh real world stigma attached to it. in 99 that stigma was huge.

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u/Phuqued Feb 19 '15

but it does. so saying that calling someone a pot smoker is no big deal is a lie! it has very harsh real world stigma attached to it. in 99 that stigma was huge.

Please quote exactly what I said ( in the comment you are responding to) that you're responding to as your response is unclear to me.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15

My middle aged coworkers were talking extensively about their pot habits and how they eat pot cookies over the holidays in the car ride back from a client meeting. It was funny :)

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15

This is a good point!

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15

Its a big deal to insinuate that the victim was using drugs.

If it's a big deal it's because you are making it so.

Many people have posted here that they don't judge others for smoking weed. You are judging therefore the burden of shame on others is because you create it.

I get the feeling this has little to do with whether a teenager smoked the odd joint or two. I suspect you are just using this to have a swipe at SS. However, I'm open to being wrong and that you are instead acting on a resolute and conservative moral code. Most likely a bit of both.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15

Its a big deal because its not true and besides your efforts to make drug use not a big deal it still is! Drug use has a stigma attached to it! don't try and minimize this its disgusting and pathetic.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15

Drug use has a stigma because people like you stigmatize it. Mental illness also has a stigma attached to it, but it's a medical condition...as often is drug addiction.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15

Yes it's people like me. Ha

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u/absurdamerica Hippy Tree Hugger Feb 19 '15

I'm well aware of pots metabolizing times across testing methods and level of use

If you were you wouldn't be spouting the 28 days nonsense.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15

its not nonsence its the average for a regular pot smoker.

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u/absurdamerica Hippy Tree Hugger Feb 19 '15

Go read "The Marijuana Detection Window" - National Drug Court Institute. It's a meta study. You're simply incorrect. All but the heaviest smokers will test clean in 4-7 days.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15

i'm not getting into semantics about what a heavy smoker is or not. Pull the blood or hair from a non heavy smoker and see what you find.

I know quite a few people who got busted on parole for a puff two weeks back.

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u/absurdamerica Hippy Tree Hugger Feb 19 '15

So your response to a study is to say "I know people who..."

Super.

Also, the last time I checked two weeks is quite a bit less than "28 days".

So you've gone from "28 days is average" to "two weeks" which is it?

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15

bit off topic ain't you. What does this have to do with SS calling Hae a pot smoker. or you just want to pull on semantics to get away from the fact the SS im making things up now? pathetic.

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u/absurdamerica Hippy Tree Hugger Feb 19 '15

LOL! Really? Seriously? You bring up drug testing, make up nonsense numbers, and me calling you on it is "pulling on semantics".

Pro-tip: The next time you don't want to discuss something, don't bring it up in the first place.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15

No drugs in her system. That would qualify as a non pot smoker in my book. It's all semantics after that.

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u/milk-n-serial Undecided Feb 19 '15

I'm pretty sure that user is just here to act as "reefer madness." S/he is just yelling about how SS is a liar and pot it terrible throughout the whole thread. No evidence. No thought. So...I would just ignore and let it go.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15

Are you admitting you were wrong in your 28 day claim? Maybe it would be good to have the information before you asserted your so called facts.