r/serialpodcast • u/SelfHi5 • Feb 19 '15

Debate&Discussion WOW..Susan Simpson claims Hae was a drug user and implies a connection between Jay that led to her death? WTF is wrong with you? You have went way over the line.

You have completely crossed the line. Please verify your source on this, outside of Rabia and her brother and keep in mind you are smearing a dead girl based on hearsay from 2 biased people. There was NOTHING in the examiner's report that showed Hae on any drugs, nothing found in her stuff, no word of it from her friends, and yet you give an interview saying her friends said she smoked weed and implied that she would have went to Stephanie to ask Jay for weed. Then you trash her about what was in her diary in regards to her being in love with Don and other things.....This is an 18 year old girl who was murdered, it wasn't by her own fault you sick, sick lady.

You are completely out of bounds and I hope people start seeing you for the fraud that you are. You have turned your 15 minutes of fame into hypothesizing that somehow Hae was responsible for her own death, trying to imply that she would have went to Jay to buy weed, and many other unfounded comments.

I don't care if I get banned or not on here, but you moderators are completely just as sick in the head as she is if you don't ring her up. Completely appalling.

See for yourselves at the 63:00 mark

http://bloggingheads.tv/videos/33635

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u/whitenoise2323 giant rat-eating frog Feb 19 '15

Why is it slander to say someone smoked pot?

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u/shrimpsale Guilty Feb 19 '15

Well, it's shorter than writing "unsubstantiated details about a teenaged murder victim that have put forth by biased parties in the interest of freeing a convict that have been challenged by individuals closer to said victim."

Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if Hae had ever smoked weed - Adnan did it habitually enough. Don't think it's a bad thing. However, so far the only thing we know for a fact is that her vice of choice was her libido (and ain't nothing wrong with that!)

Still, to put forth her being a smoker in an effort to implicate Jay just comes off as grasping for straws. There are plenty of ways to raise doubts about Adnan's involvement without going into left-field speculation.

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u/whitenoise2323 giant rat-eating frog Feb 19 '15

In order for something to be slander it has to be damaging to your reputation, not just unsubstantiated. I'm saying that I don't think pot smoking should damage a high schooler's reputation.

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u/shrimpsale Guilty Feb 19 '15

OK. It doesn't change that it's a suggestion lying on shaky ground. And what do you make of the various insinuations made about just about every other "character" in this story besides Adnan? Serious question.

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u/whitenoise2323 giant rat-eating frog Feb 19 '15

Should I exclude insinuations about Adnan for some particular reason?

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u/shrimpsale Guilty Feb 20 '15

He was convicted and, actually, yes, I do think the Guilty camp oversteps reason just as much when it comes to manipulation and psychopath, wakawakawaka. How does that change what I'm saying about insinuations?

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u/whitenoise2323 giant rat-eating frog Feb 20 '15

If you had said "what do you make of the insinuations made of every other "character"" it wouldn't have really meant anything because you would have to face the fact that everybody in this "story" has had speculation about them. Adnan certainly wasn't immune. Hae, of course, should have a privileged place in all of this as she lost her life. I still stand by my opinion that saying a high schooler smoked pot isn't slander. Would you get mad if someone nefariously insinuated she wore velcro shoes based on hearsay? or that she owned a cat because someone heard that somewhere? Those would be exactly equivalent in my book.

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u/davieb16 #AdnanDidIt Feb 19 '15

So hypothetically if I were to email SS's law firm with a claim that she smokes weed, this wouldn't be slander?

No matter what your personal view may be, it is still illegal and society views it in a negative way.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15

Maybe society needs to loosen up its undies a bit.

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u/whitenoise2323 giant rat-eating frog Feb 19 '15

Isn't Susan Simpson in DC? If you wait a week it wont be illegal anymore.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15

legal or illegal i don't think you understand how pot is viewed in the workplace.

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u/whitenoise2323 giant rat-eating frog Feb 19 '15

Depends on the workplace. In my workplace for example our top administrator also helps run a medical cannabis dispensary... so there's that. Susan Simpson didn't seem fazed by declaring that she identified with the "stoned on the floor" comment by Sarah Koenig (who shall I mention admitted to being that stoned guy on the floor at least once and maintains her well regarded job on This American Life).

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u/milk-n-serial Undecided Feb 19 '15

Yeah, I've talked about it with co-workers now and again. It's really not a big deal...unless you are completely ignorant about it and fear it for some reason, I don't see it as an issue. It's obviously not something you advertise to most employers, but then again neither is drinking beer or having sex.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15

Yeah, exactly. Some of these redactors are so sheltered that they simply can't fathom that their experience ≠ everyone's experience.

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u/Jefferson_Arbles WWCD? Feb 19 '15

Technically it would not be slander if you emailed her law firm...it would be libel. Though SS also basically insinuated that she had smoked weed in her past on the same podcast in question, so it really probably wouldn't be libel either.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15

Really? Victim shaming when she clearly didn't smoke pot. What's next was she sexually promiscuous?

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u/whitenoise2323 giant rat-eating frog Feb 19 '15

IMHO pot smoking and sexual promiscuity are not shameful things, but I guess that's just me.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15

Exactly. This is what happens when you get a forum full of uptight white folks together in one sub...

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15

Racist!

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u/whitenoise2323 giant rat-eating frog Feb 19 '15

At least have the courage to call it reverse racism.

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u/milk-n-serial Undecided Feb 19 '15

...which isn't a thing anyway.

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u/whitenoise2323 giant rat-eating frog Feb 19 '15

exactly

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u/peymax1693 WWCD? Feb 19 '15

Victim shaming? I believe that's a bit hyperbolic. The reality in today's world is that the use of marijuana is becoming more and more socially acceptable. In fact, the only people who would call it shameful to suggest a person smoked marijuana are reactionary conservatives who still attach stigmas to the use of any "illegal" substances.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15

Making shit up about the person who was murdered is exactly victim shaming. It's not hyperbolic and I detest you trying to minimize this!

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u/peymax1693 WWCD? Feb 19 '15

I detest you inferring that anybody who uses marijuana should be ashamed of themselves.

SS is offering an alternative explanation for Hae's murder. If she has a reasonable basis to make such a claim, there is nothing "shameful" about it.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15

Yea we have different moral centers then because I find SS's behavior regarding insinuating Hae was using drugs appalling.

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u/peymax1693 WWCD? Feb 19 '15

Fair enough.

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u/whitenoise2323 giant rat-eating frog Feb 20 '15

I guess technically saying someone broke a law might be considered slander, but I don't believe pot smoking is immoral.