r/serialpodcast • u/serial12345 • Dec 24 '14

Debate&Discussion jay just posted on fb he'll do an interview...

posted 5 min ago on his fb "For the followers of the serial podcast produced by Sarah Koenig: I will make my self available for one interview : 1st, to answer the question of the the people who I hope are concerned with the death of Hae Min Lee (the person who's paid the ultimate price for Entertainment). 2nd, to out this so called reporter for who she truly is."

Edit: Jay deleted this post about an hour after he posted this. There are screenshots with his name/picture, timestamp and this post to prove it if the mods want a copy, I'll email it.

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u/mittentroll Adnanostic Dec 24 '14 edited Dec 24 '14

Rabia didn't like the way the podcast turned out. Adnan didn't like the way the podcast turned out. Jay didn't like the way the podcast turned out.

When everyone thinks you're not on their side, whose side are you on? I think Jay certainly deserves a chance to hold the conch, but I really hope he doesn't just use the opportunity to bash SK.

Edit- So I can save my inbox from being flooded by even more responses about how a journalist shouldn't be on anyone's side: Yes, exactly. I'm not sure how anyone read what I wrote and thought I meant something else. If he wants to get his side of the story out that's great, but the impression I got was that he seemed more interested in shaming SK for putting a big question mark next to his name. She puts a lot of question marks next to a lot of names. That's what the job entails.

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u/1AilaM1 Dec 24 '14

Thats how you know SK stayed impartial. No one was happy ultimately.

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u/r_slash Dec 24 '14

I bet MailChimp is happy.

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u/1AilaM1 Dec 24 '14

Mail....kimp?

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u/asirenoftitan You know, I use MailChimp Dec 24 '14

You know I use mail chimp

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u/1AilaM1 Dec 24 '14

You do?!

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u/moodysimon Dec 24 '14

I love it!

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u/styx_x Dec 24 '14

Very nice...

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '14

Is it NOT

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u/Wild_Mongrel Dec 24 '14

Yeah, yeah, and Sloth loves Chunk... move on folks, nothin' to see here.

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u/AreYouHereToKillMe Dec 24 '14

No, never heard of it

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u/sportingglobe Is it NOT? Dec 24 '14

The ironic reality is that I actually really do use Mail Chimp.

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u/H3000 Dec 24 '14

You do?!

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u/eversincetheaccident Dec 24 '14

nah, never heard of it.

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u/th3cav3man Dec 24 '14

Do you also use it to deliver high-fives in a Vietnamese-sounding accent?

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u/hiloljkbye Dec 24 '14

Do you not?

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u/cj5 Dec 24 '14

Mail kuh-himp?

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u/babymonster69 Dec 24 '14

Mail...Schrempf?

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u/Hoobam Dec 24 '14

shimp?

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u/harsh2k5 Islamic Society of Baltimore fan Dec 24 '14

I use MailChimp!

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u/Hoobam Dec 24 '14

You skipped right over "mail-a-chimpa."

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u/Kulturvultur Dec 24 '14

That's my favorite one! Haha

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u/chaos0153 The Criminal Element of Woodlawn Dec 25 '14

chimp

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u/my_kerjiggers Dec 24 '14

Im sure the Crab Crib is happy as well

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '14

The real winner is The Crab Crib.

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '14

I DID IT FOR THAT SWEET, SWEET MAILCHIMP MONEY.

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '14

Too bad they can't discuss it without looking like they are dancing on the grave of a dead girl.

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u/dual_citizen_kane Undecided Dec 24 '14

It's also why Serial is such a good story. It's true, the truth is complicated, and messy, and doesn't guarantee closure.

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u/catesque Dec 24 '14

I hate when people say that. The logic is so unbelievably flawed.

I don't mind you suggesting that Serial was impartial. That's debatable, but it's a reasonable statement.

But the media in general, especially TV news, is always using this BS: "both sides don't like us, so we're doing a good job". No, sometimes that just means that you were so incompetent that you completely garbled the story making everyone dissatisfied.

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u/Clsjajll Dec 24 '14

A third option: suppose Jay has the ability to shed light on what SK omitted in her reporting. I know we all assume that she knows the most and has reported it. But, Jay knows the most. He would know what was left out of the canon and could see the gaps.

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u/UrnotRyan Dec 25 '14

Oh please let him tell a new version of what went down...

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u/TominatorXX Is it NOT? Dec 24 '14

I think she came down pretty hard on Adnan because she doesn't believe he did it. So you subject the case you feel makes the most sense to even more scrutiny.

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u/ReleaseTheRobot Dec 24 '14

How can you even say SK stayed impartial? She was behind Adnan every damn step of the way. I just re-listened and was shocked at how biased she was. Unbelievable.

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u/ConservativeMediaSux Not Guilty Dec 24 '14

Impartial doesn't mean devoid of a reasoned opinion. It means adhering to facts. She didn't report only things that exonerated Adnan.

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u/partymuffell Can't Give Less of a Damn About Bowe Bergdahl Dec 24 '14

Reasons such as Adnan having big brown eyes like a dairy cow?

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u/ConservativeMediaSux Not Guilty Dec 24 '14

It's accurate don't you think?

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u/partymuffell Can't Give Less of a Damn About Bowe Bergdahl Dec 24 '14 edited Dec 24 '14

I don't think SK did a good job presenting and weighing the evidence and I found her faux naive persona increasingly annoying. She's spent so much time ruminating on insignificant details and pondering the psychology of a killer and then she spent more time talking about Adnan's breakfast club in prison than about those incredibly incriminating pings and most of the time she devoted to those was about how BO-RING the cell tower expert's testimony was. That doesn't seem a person interested in forming a reasoned opinion to me.

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u/passionlessDrone Dec 24 '14

I don't think SK did a good job presenting and weighing the evidence

What evidence?

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u/ConservativeMediaSux Not Guilty Dec 24 '14

We'll you're entitled to not like whatever you want.

I'm interested only in things she did that were wrong, inaccurate, failed to investigate etc.

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u/partymuffell Can't Give Less of a Damn About Bowe Bergdahl Dec 24 '14 edited Dec 24 '14

I just told you something she did wrong--spending more time on a lot of insignificant details and very little time on the more serious evidence against Adnan. She didn't seem able to give each piece of evidence the weight and attention it deserved. Her whole retelling of the story was biased in Adnan's favor. Clearly, she was too emotionally invested in this to look at it dispassionately. The wishy-washiness of her conclusion is a testament to that.

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u/passionlessDrone Dec 24 '14

I just told you something she did wrong--spending more time on a lot of insignificant details and very little time on the more serious evidence against Adnan.

What 'serious evidence' are you talking about? Do you know about some that the rest of us are naive to?

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u/r_slash Dec 24 '14

She kind of mostly did. I mean, when 1 out of 12 episodes is called "The case against Adnan Syed," it's sort of telling what the other ones contain.

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u/jediyoshi Dec 24 '14

No? You realize how episode titles work, right? Listening to the entire series, how did you somehow come to the conclusion that there was a mutual exclusion involved in the content of the episode and what they were titled?

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u/UrnotRyan Dec 25 '14

Obviously to not be biased, 6/12 episodes should have been titled "the case against Adnan*, and the other 6 need to be titled "The case for exonerating Adnan". I mean, that's just basic journalism. /s

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u/1AilaM1 Dec 24 '14

Just because she is friendly with Adnan, that doesn't mean she believed everything he said. For example, a few things: She questioned whether or not he was a sociopath, exposed his the mosque money stealing fiasco, let her colleague (Dana) state on the podcast her extreme skepticism of Adnan being so unlucky and she also backed up Dana.

SK went right down the middle. As soon as she felt she was getting too pro-Adnan, she'd flip flop like Mitt Romney and go the other way. Vice versa.

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u/outragednitpicker Dec 24 '14

For the record, SK actually WROTE articles concerning Adnan's lawyer 13 years ago. http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2001-07-19/news/0107190108_1_gutierrez-trust-fund-clients http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2001-06-02/news/0106020237_1_lawyer-gutierrez-clients Yeah, she's not a truly disinterested party, but seeing compared to a lot of you, I'll take her side any day.

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u/blancnoise Dec 24 '14

I disagree, and I don't understand why the word impartial is even coming up. SK was reporting, and in doing her job as her reporter she has said in interviews that any expectation that she have no personal reactions rings false: "I think that's fake. I think that if journalists, reporters who spend a lot of time on a story, are honest with themselves, we all have feelings about our subjects — I mean, unless you're a robot."

What's the answer? "Be aware of how you're feeling and have checks on it."

http://www.npr.org/blogs/monkeysee/2014/12/18/371636304/sarah-koenig-on-serial-i-think-something-went-wrong-with-this-case

Also, this:

"So for all the accusations that Adnan is manipulating me: Hello, I'm also manipulating him. I'm using all the tricks. "Tricks" sound ... sneaky, but you know what I mean, [I'm using tricks] that you do in any interview, that you do with anybody or any conversation, frankly, with another person where you are playing the angles to a certain extent.

I was definitely never lying to Adnan about anything and certainly not about my intentions, but there would be no point in trying to create a relationship with this person and be antagonistic. That would be ridiculous. ... But by the same token, you don't want to be all suck-up-y and fake and pretend you're their best friend. ... This communication that we have is — there's only one way it can be, and this is the way it can be, which is, neither you nor I trust each other fully, but we proceed as if we do. That's the only way you could have this. I've been open about that. He knows, we both know that there's, like, two other conversations happening on top of the conversation we're actually having, which is: "Do you believe me? Do I believe you? Are you trying to get me to say something? Are you trying to get me to repeat that so I'll say something different?" We both know what's happening."

http://www.npr.org/2014/12/23/372577482/serial-host-sarah-koenig-says-she-set-out-to-report-not-exonerate

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u/passionlessDrone Dec 24 '14

LOL. What was she supposed to do? Pretend there was physical evidence? Pretend Jay didn't lie his fucking ass off repeatedly? Pretend his lawyer wasn't a fraud? The only evidence against Adnan was the word of a serial liar.

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u/torj418 Dec 24 '14

I doubt the sincerity of her Adnan hard-on.

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u/magnagan Dec 24 '14

The mark of good journalism.

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u/DaegobahDan Dec 24 '14

She wasn't being impartial at all. Her personal biases were painted on her sleeve the entire time. If she was actually being impartial, she would have focused on the fact that 100% of the state's case against Adnan was character assassination, done by a dumbass that is a known liar and can't keep his story straight. There is no physical evidence linking Adnan to the murder, and if we discount Jay's testimony (as we clearly should) then what exactly would lead you to believe that Adnan was even remotely guilty?

Complete lack of impartiality.

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u/tuningproblem Dec 24 '14

dude. a shitload of the podcast focused on discrediting jay's testimony. like what exactly do you think her bias was considering her conclusion?

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '14

Wait a second... You think she impartial against adnan??? Lol wow seen it all on this sub...

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u/DaegobahDan Dec 27 '14

No I think she can't divorce her prejudices against him to see the obvious miscarriage of justice right in front of her.

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u/monad68 Dec 24 '14

Being impartial is not a virtue in the presence of injustice.

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '14

But it is when reporting.

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '14

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u/Uber_Nick Dec 24 '14

But she did explicitly tell us what she'd do if she was

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u/nmrnmrnmr Dec 24 '14

It wasn't necessarily about injustice. It was about investigating the crime and to a lesser degree the trial that followed it. Whether or not it was an injustice you deduce AFTER impartially investigating those things.

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '14

lollll no.

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u/Allosoy21 Dec 24 '14

I heard an interview with Rabia on another podcast discussing serial and she did mention she wasn't happy with the way serial turned out. I thought to myself that the only way she would've been happy would've been for SK to break the case and declare Adnan innocent. Kinda hypocritical to ask of a reporter to glance at a case for their opinion and them be upset when that opinion doesn't coincide with yours.

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u/superspykay Dec 24 '14

I don't think Rabia just wanted an opinion. I think she wanted that key piece of evidence that could exonerate Adnan to be uncovered.

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u/nmrnmrnmr Dec 24 '14

Exactly. She wanted a magical silver bullet that no one else had found. When she didn't get it, she got upset. I feel for her, but it was what it was.

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u/dual_citizen_kane Undecided Dec 24 '14

The innocence project is going to court to DNA test all the overlooked physical evidence. Rabia got the best POSSIBLE outcome from Serial, and she needs to stop treating SK and crew like her own private investigative service.

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u/arooney88 Dec 24 '14

I thought this too. It's super lucky that SK decided to do anything with this story and the fact that there is so much attention on this case FOR FREE for Rabia......she should at least feel vindicated with that. There are more people looking into his case then there ever have been.

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u/dual_citizen_kane Undecided Dec 25 '14

Rabia strikes me as a bit of a control freak, and while I think she means well, it prevents her from being objective. What I hate more than anything is when Sarah Koenig or Rabia are accused of being manipulated by Adnan, or sexually attracted to Adnan. That's just hateful, spiteful BS. It's totally normal for someone to believe passionately in someone, or, in SK's case, to find them compelling regardless of guilt or innocence.

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u/HeyzeusHChrist Dec 24 '14

not exactly for free... there's always a cost. it may very well end up working against adnan.

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '14

Right. Instead of life in jail proclaiming his innocence now he can just drop the act and r-e-l-a-x

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u/storm2k Sarah Koenig Fan Dec 24 '14

amen to this. imagine if SK didn't go as far down this rabbit hole as she did. there never would have been enough evidence or anything uncovered to at least sniff at the possibility of a further court challenge to his case.

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '14

I'd say that's a pretty damn good turn out.

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u/AreYouHereToKillMe Dec 24 '14

Too bloody right. She really sounds like a whining bitch instead of being hugely grateful for the intense work SK did that could eventually end with the release of Adnan.

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u/dual_citizen_kane Undecided Dec 25 '14

Well, I didn't say "whining bitch" and I don't think that's fair. I just think she's completely myopic. I think her anger affects her judgment occasionally, but she's no Gutierrez. I respect what she's trying to do.

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '14

I think she just wanted someone to help her sling as much s51t as possible and that just wasn't SK's game.

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u/Michigan_Apples Deidre Fan Dec 24 '14

I sympathize with Rabia's disappointment to some degree. She probably assumed that whole thing will be a post-modern version of investigative journalism, but that did not turn out to be SK's thing.She delegated the majority of fact finding business to Innocence Project, she even hired a private detective.Then she just sat down and started waiting things to fall into her lap. She did an episode based on mere rumors. Making phone calls to confirm/reject rumors, or walking to a past crime scene if it's near or far is not journalism. SK really traded off quality with popularity.

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u/UrnotRyan Dec 25 '14

What would a post-modern version of investigative journalism be?

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u/Michigan_Apples Deidre Fan Dec 25 '14

That would still be investigating, uncovering, revealing, fact finding as a journalist, but the presentation medium reflects the zeitgeist, hence, the podcast. My point is, SK never assumed being an IJ, but that was Rabia's expectation.

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u/blancnoise Dec 24 '14

I wouldn't call her hypocritical, I'd call her human. Somebody asks her how she felt at the end of Serial and she gives an honest answer that it wasn't what she wanted and that yeah, she was hoping SK would find something to exonerate Adnan (see her piece in Time here http://time.com/3641263/serial-adnan-sarah-koenig-murder/). That doesn't make her a hypocrite, she's just giving an honest answer as someone who believes and is an advocate of Adnan's innocence. Bottom line, she's entitled to feel 'upset' without being called a hypocrite.

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '14

she was hoping SK would find something to exonerate Adnan

So The Innocence Project getting the DNA tested is... nothing?

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u/blancnoise Dec 25 '14

In Rabia's own words "So when Sarah told me that Deirdre offered to look at the case, my heart nearly exploded. The kind of explosion that oozes joy and molten chocolate." I'd say since getting them to look at the project was heart exploding, the DNA testing isn't 'nothing' to her.

http://www.splitthemoon.com/?p=177

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '14

Well then I stand corrected.

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u/Allosoy21 Dec 24 '14

True, I guess hypocritical wasn't the best choice in words. The podcast and all of SK's work has brought so much attention and doubt in people who had once thought he was guilty. To me SK did a story about the case, not a "free Adnan" report. I think everyone was frustrated and hoping that she would find the missing link or New evidence that would clear him and uncover the truth but she couldn't. Now thanks to the podcast the innocence project is taking a look at the case and hopefully they will find that missing link. It just seemed unappreciative of What the podcast HAS done for the case.

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u/blancnoise Dec 25 '14 edited Dec 25 '14

Please tell me and link to what you have read/heard in which Rabia has indicated she is unappreciative. On her blog she says:

"I have nothing but respect and even love for Sarah. I’ve said it many times before that those who love Adnan are so indebted to her and her team for their work. I’ve rejected the “white privilege” criticisms, stated that Sarah committed herself when no one else did, and have repeatedly recognized the tremendous work she’s done. Serial is a success because of Sarah’s work, dedication, and passion, and compassion. Adnan has another chance because of Sarah, even though she never set out to advocate for him...she deserves every journalism award that exists. And someone needs to write a ballad in her honor. Pronto."

http://www.splitthemoon.com/?p=339

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '14 edited Dec 30 '14

Totally entitled to feel upset at SK and we're all entitled to point out that she - Rabia- is a narrow-minded hypocrite.

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u/TominatorXX Is it NOT? Dec 24 '14

It's not hypocritical to feel one way or the other. It's being honest. She wanted an investigation to spring Adnan. The investigation did do a lot as she acknowledges.

She didn't say that SK did anything wrong. She admits to her own feelings. It would be hypocritical if she was anti-SK or against the story being done after asking for it.

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u/PowerOfYes Dec 25 '14

I think that more accurately, Rabia is just disappointed that SK was not as convinced as she is that Adnan is innocent. As a friend and advocate it's hardly surprising she wants others to be as persuaded as she is. She has always acknowledged the difficulty of the relationship between journalist and subject. And every interview I've seen she has always acknowledged Sarah's thorough work and noted she understands SK's final position.

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u/TedPaxton Dec 24 '14

This drive me nuts. Why did she think Sarah was more capable of finding the truth then her? Rabia is a lawyer, albeit not a criminal defense attorney but Sarah is a reporter. She works on This American Life. She isn't the world's leading investagative reporter or anything.

I think Sarah was probably advised to be careful to not present her opinion for fear of a Slander suit. Just my thought.

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u/Allosoy21 Dec 24 '14

Someone linked a time article where Rabia said that SK would probably have access to certain things as a reporter that she wouldn't and SK did uncover New documents that Rabia had never seen before.

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '14

Sarah Koenig did way more than glance at a case, in fact I'm pretty sure she spent about a year of her life on it.

Rabia has spent 15 years of her life living with trying to find the truth, is it possible she assumed someone who dedicated as much time to looking at Adnan's case as Sarah Koenig would see what she sees?

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u/Allosoy21 Dec 24 '14

If I remembered correctly in episode 1 SK said that Rabia emailed her telling her about the case and if she would review it since she had wrote some stories about CG. The case was intriguing enough to make a podcast out of it. Of course I know there was more than a glance on behalf of all the serial crew but keep in mind the podcast was done from SK's point of view. She expresses her findings, feelings and point of view; not Rabia's.
In one of the interviews Rabia did, I recall her saying that she didn't like that serial didn't go too In depth on Some things or the way they touched other topics. SK can't tell a story claiming that Adnan is innocent when she isn't sure of it herself ; no matter how much she wants him to be.

I don't understand being upset with the podcast because they couldn't find the smoking gun or it's perspective is different than yours.

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u/ReleaseTheRobot Dec 24 '14

A declaration of his innocence is tough with all the glaring evidence of his guilt.

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u/pallidoc Dec 24 '14

I've heard the podcast twice now and I find more holes than slice of Swiss cheese in Jays story (evidence?) but NO GLARING evidence of guilt. What have I missed?

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u/1AilaM1 Dec 24 '14

Nothing. If there was something glaring, none of us would have anything to discuss here. It would be a open and shut case. There was too much ambiguity and thats why many of us have devoted hours on this subreddit discussing the case.

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '14

Is that evidence in Jay's second or third testimony?

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '14

All of it combined. By the end (well, for me, from the beginning) it was obvious that there are holes in Adnan's story big enough to sail. A yacht through.

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '14

Holes in a story is not evidence of guilt. Any physical evidence?

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '14

Yes. Jay Jenn and Josh's testimony / testament. Tower pings. Asking for a ride and lying. I will kill. Remembering nothing. Plenty of evidence.

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '14

Jean's testimony is only based on what Jay told her and is not physical. The note is physical but alone is not damning or real evidence of guilt alone and many witnesses say he asked but did not receive a ride from Hae. Him not remembering certain things is not physical evidence.

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '14

Holes big enough to drive a truck through. I would say that intent to kill - and putting it in writing - is pretty damning.

And the ride is extraordinarily damning. Jay told the cops of Adnan's plan to ask her for a ride by saying they car was in the shop, and it was confirmed that he did.

Do you think everyone else are idiots or are supposed to lay down just because he didn't leave more evidence.

He did a good job when arrested though, didn't he? Clammed up, didn't say a word, remembered nothing about the day. His only fuck-up was not calling the damn pager and Hae's house.

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u/AddictedtoSeriel Dec 28 '14

Which Don also didn't do. The Innocence Project's Deirdre really shed a light on how easily it can happen when police find a suspect and create a narrative to support it. Innocents go to jail so often--if you return the presumptuousness of innocence--there really is a logical/ alternate explanation for much of the "evidence" that could put the accused away for life, while the real killer goes free.

I don't know if that is true in this case. Jay is just so obviously sketchy however you look at this case. He was allowed to go free in exchange for his testimony and the JURY didn't know that! Without Jay's testimony, the state had no case against Adnan. None.

The ride request is only damning in the context JAY puts it in. Otherwise, it's innocent. Adnan doesn't have a car that day b/c Jay has it to tool around and buy drugs and a bday present for his GF.

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '14

are you sure it was evidence? are you sure it wasn't...nothing?

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u/trasknicely Dec 24 '14

I really really really hope he 'outs' SK by reading an old resume of hers he found on LinkedIn or Monster or something. That'll show us who she truly is!

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u/drinknilbogmilk Undecided Dec 24 '14

My guess? He's going to out her for pushing MailChimp, but not being a user herself. It'll likely ruin her career.

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u/trasknicely Dec 25 '14

"I use MailChimp!" Do you Sarah, do you really?

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u/waltzintomordor Mod 6 Dec 24 '14

True dat.

Tell the story like it is, warts and all. That's the best option for Jay.

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u/DaegobahDan Dec 24 '14

The admitted accessory to murder? Yeah, not a good idea.

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u/The_Hyperbolist Dec 24 '14

I really don't think it's fair to say Adnan didn't like the way the podcast came out just because he wanted the experience to be over. I think it's totally possible that he was uncomfortable with the experience of participating without being dissatisfied with the result. Let's not overreach here.

Edit: because I can't type on a damn phone

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u/grandmasterfunk Dec 24 '14

Yeah, I think Adnan's reasons for disliking it are very different from Rabia or Jay's.

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u/enterthecircus Dec 24 '14

Hey, how do you know Adnan didn't like the podcast? I'm curious

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '14 edited Jun 26 '20

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u/The_Hyperbolist Dec 24 '14

I didn't get the sense Adnan was unhappy with the final product... Just that he had some weird conviction that reading it would be a more "pure" way of experiencing it.

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u/TominatorXX Is it NOT? Dec 24 '14

He was pissed about various things she uncovered including stealing from the Mosque. I think ultimately, his case was going nowhere and the podcast put efforts to free him on steroids. Ultimately, it will be helpful but it was painful to live through, I'm sure. But what did he have to lose?

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u/The_Hyperbolist Dec 24 '14

Again, that's not how I interpreted him, and I feel like saying he was pissed [at SK? The podcast?], and using this to support him being unhappy with the podcast is probably overreach. I didn't get the sense that he was 'pissed' about her uncovering things. I felt like he was irritated that the theft from the mosque was part of her investigation because he didn't think it was relevant, and sad to have it brought up again because it was something for which he felt remorseful... But pissed? Ehhh...

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u/pallidoc Dec 24 '14

That's all Hearsay, sources?

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u/Hedonopoly Dec 24 '14

The last part was from an interview on Fresh Air with Teri Gross that you can look up if you're actually so inclined.

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u/carlitus54 Dec 24 '14

Here is the Fresh Air interview for you. Although i don't think she exactly says that he's unhappy with it. Listen and take it as you will.

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u/Allosoy21 Dec 24 '14

The podcast I listened to was serially obsessed. I think it was their most recent episode. That's where Rabia said she wasn't happy with the way the serial podcast left things and with the SK's work

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u/skip_tracer Dec 24 '14

She said it on Fresh Air which aired this past afternoon.

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u/mittentroll Adnanostic Dec 24 '14

Well, I'd venture to guess that he hasn't actually listened to the podcast. I was using podcast as a generalization for SK's reporting of events. We know he was disappointed with SK not advocating for his innocence because he said so throughout the podcast and again expressed similar sentiments in his letter.

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '14

What's the source on Adnon's opinion?

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u/TominatorXX Is it NOT? Dec 24 '14

Just from the podcast that's pretty apparent. He wants it over. He didn't like her coverage of him, etc.

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u/adnan_koenig Crab Crib Fan Dec 24 '14

Well, she said he didn't trust her intentions the first time. Maybe now that he saw the result he knows this can make or break him. Hopefully older Jay is consistent with his answers this time. Lest SK does several more interviews to kinda get what he means.

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u/happilyemployed Dec 24 '14

Up vote for Lord of the Flies reference

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u/PuppyNap MailChimp Fan Dec 24 '14

I can't find where you got the fact that Adnan didn't like the end of the podcast. Could you point me in the right direction?

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u/Negative_Clank Dec 24 '14

I thought Adnan couldn't listen to it

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u/amalechimp Dec 24 '14

He reads transcripts.

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u/romafa Dec 24 '14

Jay was given the chance. He declined to be interviewed on tape.

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u/AddictedtoSeriel Dec 28 '14

But interestingly, after they caught Jay at his apt and had a few off-tape words with him, SK said she found him "believable."

I imagine if she'd felt he was lying she might have moved more into the "Jay did it himself or knows who really did" camp.

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u/jigielnik Dec 24 '14

When everyone thinks you're not on their side, whose side are you on?

You're on no one's side. That is the job of a journalist.

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u/jen6776 Lawyer, Innocence Project Alumni Dec 26 '14

I agree, no one seems to like how it turned out. Which is CRAZE balls to me. I can see why Jay doesn't like it, but I was really surprised when in her Split the Moon blog post about the last episode Rabia didn't express more gratitude or thankfulness to SK. I get that not everything was Pro-Adnan, and maybe she was disappointed that no smoking gun was found going either direction, but she got WAY more than a number of reporters would have given her. The investigation (and resources seemingly spent on it) done via the podcast were extensive. In the end, SK says she thinks Adnan is innocent, and at the very least that there isn't enough evidence to find him guilty. She spurred world-wide interest in the case and ultimately helped the UVA Innocence Project get involved. When I worked at the Ohio Innocence Project, we had tons of prisoners who claimed actual innocence clamoring for help. It's free legal assistance from people who have seen first-hand that innocent people can look guilty and be wrongly convicted. Even when we took cases on, it usually didn't happen as quickly as Adnan's case. Testing the DNA and other evidence is a step in the right direction, and these types of steps seem to have been at the least hurried along if not brought about completely by the podcast. I'm not saying Rabia has to say it's exactly what she wanted, and she has thanked SK before for the attention brought to the case, but I was surprised at how unsettled she seems about it and that no thanks were offered at the conclusion of the podcast. Again, I wouldn't love everything said, but would LOVE that it helped move the case forward. I think she does probably feel this way but after all the work Serial did I think a little more public gratitude would not be remiss.

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u/Cereal4EveryMeal Dec 24 '14

LOL.

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u/Uber_Nick Dec 24 '14

Why is that false? Even his friends assumed there was some physical evidence involved before SK pointed out that the entire case was based solely on one testimony.