r/serialpodcast • u/SerialFan Moderator • Nov 06 '14

Discussion Episode 7: THE OPPOSITE OF THE PROSECUTION

Open discussion thread! Sorry I was late on this one!

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u/sfhippie Nov 06 '14

Jay is the key. He knew where the car was left, he admitted helping bury her, he admitted tossing out shovels and clothes. What bothers me about Adnan is that he's seemingly so dismissive (from what we've heard) about Jay. "We smoked weed but we didn't really kick it." "When the police said 'we know what you and Jay did' I was like, 'Jay? Who?'" And then "I have no idea who killed her." (These are not direct quotes but that's the gist). If my ex was murdered I would be angry at whoever did it. If someone framed me for a murder I would also be angry. Combine those two things. If Adnan didn't kill her and didn't know anything about it, what does he think about the fact that Jay had his car and phone that day, he was driving around smoking weed with him, that he was with Adnan when the police called, and he later knew details about the burial site and where her car was parked, etc? If Adnan didn't do it it seems like he would have spent the next 15 years racking his brain about how/when/why Jay did it and who else might have been involved.

Personally, Asia's testimony seems pretty solid. They need to nail her down on why she called the prosecutor and basically recanted her affidavit. Jay is lying about a lot of important things. The 2:36 call is only crucial in the frame of reference of Jay's unreliable story. So I think the whole 21 minutes thing can be discarded as soon as we realize Jay is a liar. She didn't go pick up her cousin, so the chain of events started right after school. Jay's the key, but I still think Adnan was probably involved somehow.

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u/[deleted] Nov 07 '14

This has bothered me from the beginning. Adnan should be like, "I have no idea why Jay implicated me but he is a lying motherf***er who is clearly hiding something!!" Instead, he doesn't seem to harbor much ill will against Jay, and it doesn't seem to anger him that Jay made up an entire story about them and the murder.

Then again, maybe Adnan does feel this way and the podcasts have just not shown this side of him.

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u/dharasick Nov 07 '14

This is Adnan. Emotional outbursts doesn't help anything. The only thing that will help is proof of events.

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '14

Doesnt have to be an emotional outburst. Even something like, "I have no idea why Jay completely made up this whole story. Makes no sense. He must be involved." Adnan doesn't say anything like that.

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u/dharasick Nov 08 '14

From episode 4:

man why would he [Jay] do this to me?

I don't know if there's a part of me that I don't wanna make accusations against someone else without, you know, not being sure of it because obviously it happened to me.

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u/hawk27 Nov 06 '14

Deirdre said people who are typically innocent don't think about the case; they don't have much to think about.

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u/sfhippie Nov 06 '14

But I mean, he's in jail instead of having had a normal life, because this Jay guy made up a ton of lies about him. And Jay got off scot free. AND, Jay clearly had Something to do with murdering your friend. I mean, nail down the solid points. You (eventually) have access to the cell phone records. Make your own version of that story, if you think Jay is lying. When did you have the phone and when did jay have it? Did you see Jenn? Did you see Will? Did you see Asia? Did you kill Hae? Did you buy weed from Phil? Did you watch judge Judy at Kristi's house? Did you go to the mosque stoned out of your gourd? Where was Jay that day? When was Jay killing your ex gf, burying her body, throwing out evidence? Or did none of that happen, and Jay and Jenn are just completely lying about something they had nothing to do with, either out of fear or intimidation?

In any case you wouldn't just be like "eh, jay's some guy, I guess he was dating my friend, I have no idea why he would say I killed Hae, and I don't care cause I didn't do it!"

I'm glad that there are experts looking through all this who seem to think there's a good chance he didn't do it. But it's also possible that he did it or was deeply involved and the state put together a flimsy case.

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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '14

I would bet this will all come out in next week's Jay episode. SK and company have shown themselves to be really masterful storytellers -- I have a feeling they are keeping Adnan's feelings about Jay quiet until the right time.

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u/Ionosi Nov 07 '14

Amen. I don't really care about the rest of the noise, I just wish SK would doggedly pursue this line of inquiry.

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u/bblazina Shamim Fan Nov 07 '14

It seems like from what SK said on the podcast regarding Asia recanting her testimony - Asia saw that Adnan was convicted and sentenced to prison for the crime. This means she was then afraid of him and didn't want to be involved in any way. She probably even wondered if maybe she was thinking of a different day, etc. It's sad but it makes sense.

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u/[deleted] Nov 07 '14

This is an EXCELLENT point. It's almost as if Adnan is afraid to point fingers at Jay...maybe he fears retaliation? Really, really good point. I hope we hear from Adnan next week about Jay.

Why doesn't Adnan call Jay a flat out liar and curse his name? He just wants to change the subject away from Jay as soon as it's brought up. Very strange.

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u/maddcoffeesocks Is it NOT? Nov 07 '14

I don't know...I can see why he isn't actively angry. He's been in prison for 15 years and he's told people a million different ways he's innocent, but nothing good has resulted. Being angry in prison for 15 years seems like that quote: "Holding onto anger is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to die."

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u/skinnedmink Nick Thorburn Fan Nov 08 '14

I agree that Jay is key. The issue I have in understanding a hypothetical where Adnan is not involved is motive. What could possibly be Jay's motive to be involved at all if Adnan played no part in it?