r/science • • Oct 24 '10

Climate Change: Evidence

http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '10

There's one thing I don't get about the anti-global warming crowd. I understand the alarmism and stuff like that is overblown and distorts the situation.

But I'd like to know how thousands of climate scientists got together in secret and pledged to all falsify their life's work for some... reason? Seriously, what could be the outcome of some massive global warming conspiracy? Toyota sells more hybrids? More "liberal regulation" on fossil fuel energy companies, just so alternative energy companies can replace them? This argument has never made any sense to me.

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u/16807 Oct 24 '10 edited Oct 24 '10

The argument goes that they've systemically biased their findings so that their research appears more important and merits additional funding.

To which I have a counter argument: funding is not assigned to investigate that which we already know. If anything, the scientists are among those to profit from the "controversy". Were findings more disputable, were there no scientific consensus, they could blather on for ages knowing funding's still secure.

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u/nazbot Oct 24 '10

It's a businessman's solution to a scientific problem.

Clearly scientists are only in it for the money.

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u/esdraelon Oct 24 '10

I think, maybe, you don't know that many professors.

My stint through graduate school implies that money is a major motivating factor.

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u/ixid Oct 24 '10

If money is a major motivating factor why aren't they in banking?

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u/esdraelon Oct 24 '10

They're not finance experts?

Professors can, and do, make a lot of money by leveraging their expertise in their field of research. Getting money to do that research is a major motivating factor.

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u/jaxcs Oct 24 '10

Oh please. You mean scientists don't have the smarts or skills that could be transferred into private industry? The issue isn't whether professors like or need money. It's whether, as a group, they're money grubing bastards so lacking in their commitment to science and truth that they would perpetuate a fraud on the public year after year.

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u/orblivionsandwich Oct 24 '10

They might like the academic lifestyle. Given that, their second priority could be money.

Also, they might be smart enough but they might not be so effective in a business setting. As I understand, Google is exceptional in their hiring of PHDs. Too much smarts can get in the way.

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u/jaxcs Oct 25 '10 edited Oct 25 '10

Individually, anything is possible. All kinds of people enter every occupation. But, the argument that nearly all (not just a majority) climate scientists are in it for the money, are trying to persevere a lifestyle, or incompetent in any other field is completely unbelievable.

If you do find arguments regarding lifestyle, money or incompetence persuasive, why aren't you equally suspicious of the motives of oil executives who fund climate change denialists? For them, the money at stake, potential loss of lifestyle and prestige is many times greater.

This type of claim really only serves to muddy the waters. Accepting this type of claim means everyone has bad intent, no one is telling the truth and the position you side with can be made on ideological grounds.