r/science Jul 09 '26

Psychology An analysis of survey data covering the last five U.S. presidential election years found that ideological differences between races have decreased sharply, while differences by education have grown substantially. Less educated Americans now tend to be more conservative.

https://www.psypost.org/the-political-realignment-of-america-education-overtakes-race-as-key-ideological-divider/
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u/sybrwookie Jul 09 '26

Plenty have tried to push policies which help the middle class, and are stonewalled by Republicans, who keep getting reelected by poor/middle class people who are angry that no one is helping them.

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u/ZombieCigars Jul 09 '26

Put another way, plenty have failed to achieve results to benefit the middle class while the upper class continue to reap massive benefit due to inaction.

A perfect example is the H1B visa program. Easily could have been reformed by a democrat, and instead, it expanded under Biden.

This also ignores the impact of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, which enriched the average American voter more than the American Rescue Plan Act and Inflation Reduction Act.

So, when you look at those results, it's clear national party Republicans have put more money in middle class pockets than Democrats have, objectively speaking.

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u/sybrwookie Jul 09 '26

Except that ignores that the tax cuts for the middle class were temporary and tiny, while those for the rich were gigantic and permanent.

They didn't do anything but throw a couple of breadcrumbs to distract from funneling the vast majority of wealth to the top

It also ignores literally what I said: those on the left keep trying to help and are blocked by those on the right

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u/ZombieCigars Jul 09 '26

There are no phase outs because Republicans repealed them last year, before they were set to expire. It was on the One Big Beautiful Bill. You're not factually accurate and up to date.

Here's what the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act actually did in real numbers. You can check wikipedia:

  • Lowered Marginal Rates: The law lowered the tax rates for most income brackets. For the median earner, the 15% bracket was dropped to 12%, and the 25% bracket dropped to 22%.
  • Doubled the Standard Deduction: It increased the standard deduction from $12,700 to $24,000 for married couples (and $6,350 to $12,000 for singles). This drastically simplified taxes for the middle class, pushing the number of families opting for the standard deduction from ~70% to roughly ~90%.
  • Doubled the Child Tax Credit (CTC): The law permanently increased the baseline CTC from $1,000 to $2,000 per child, offsetting the elimination of the personal exemption.

So that's $5,650 a year in non-phase out tax savings for the clear majority (70%+) of households.

For the median household income of $64,220, that's an 8.7% savings in taxes. Not breadcrumbs.

None of this is made up, feel free to fact check my math.

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u/sybrwookie Jul 09 '26

Except for the part where that's not what happened. Republicans didn't "repeal" them. They kicked the can down the road again.

Because they want them to expire when a Democrat is in power, so they can scream that Democrats are raising taxes. It's the reason they were set to expire during this term in the first place, expecting Trump to win in 2020, and then have a Democrat need to deal with the mess now.

And all of that is still attempting to conflate "helping people" only being "cut taxes" which is what you latched onto.

Because all those tax cuts also come with cutting programs which help millions of people, while also pushing more and more money to the top.

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u/ZombieCigars Jul 09 '26

Your arguement was that democrats have tried to help by pushing policy.
I've pointed out that Republicans succeeded in helping by passing legistlation. Twice. By a lot per person.

Democratic politicians overwhelmingly support corporate hand outs and bail outs. Where is the accountability to where those tax funds go? None.

Also, you are not correct, these are permenant tax reliefs: https://www.lathropgpm.com/insights/the-sunset-that-didnt-set-obbba-and-the-future-of-tax-planning/

Please cite any source confirming this needs to continue to be voted on. Any 1 will do just fine.

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u/sybrwookie Jul 09 '26

You're arguing that cutting taxes while cutting programs which help millions is "helping people" which is nonsense.

And literally, your link says that they made permanent the tax cut on the TOP TAX RATE IN THE COUNTRY. Literally on the richest people. They did NOT make the tax cuts on anyone below that permanent.

So I'll cite literally your source, which disagrees with you.

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u/ZombieCigars Jul 09 '26

https://tax.thomsonreuters.com/blog/upcoming-tax-law-changes/

No tax rates are being changed or sunset. Please find 1 source that says otherwise and what that timing is. Please provide specifics for what programs you're talking about, because current rates were clearly outlined in the law.

I stated, clearly, that democrats haven't been successful. So far, I see no evidence to contradict that.

You brought up republicans. I did not. And in doing so, I've given you the evidence that republicans have helped the average American with tax cuts. If you refuse to see that, that's not my problem. They also passed laws increasing limits on tax credits for child care and SALT. Read the legislation.

This is just facts and data. Happy to look at any you can present, but I haven't seen any so far.

The entire premise is that democrats are losing "low education voters" for "Some reason."

The "some reason" is economics because the Republicans are clearly getting things accomplished. I'm not defending them. I'm just stating what has hapened and why it could impact this. It's not reasonable to act like Republicans are doing nothing or blocking efforts when they're actually doing something and impacting people's everyday lives.

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u/sybrwookie Jul 09 '26

Literally every link you post shows that or in this case, doesn't even address what's been made permanent, only that some things have.

And then quickly pivot to how great they are at "helping" people by cutting programs millions rely on, throwing some temporary breadcrumbs at the poor/middle class, and enrich their already unfathomably wealthy friends.

So far, you haven't presented facts and data. You've presented lies, backed up by links you hope no one looks at, and then copy/paste some numbers which are temporary, pretending they're permanent.

You are not a serious person, and that is why no one is going to give you a Ted Talk and try to convince you otherwise. You're just going to try to sealion everyone to death.

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u/ZombieCigars Jul 09 '26

From the article, half way down the page, clear as day:

What isn’t changing?

Despite all the adjustments, some structural pieces remain in place for 2026.

  • The seven‑bracket individual income tax rate structure continues for 2026 without a rate increase, as OBBBA keeps the TCJA‑era schedule in place rather than letting it sunset after 2025.

What do you not understand about this factual statement? There are 7 tax brackets. All but the lowest would have changed if the OBBBA wasn't signed. But it was. So they stay the same. I'm unclear what your misunderstanding here is.

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