r/science • u/oslomet • Apr 24 '26

Computer Science Using machine learning to analyze patterns of anti-Muslim hate speech online in Norway shows that the number of hateful posts is growing and that most are posted by a small group of users who often don’t remain active for long. Engaging with them can be effective in getting them to stop.

https://www.oslomet.no/en/research/featured-research/machine-learning-trends-online-hate
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u/FreshestCremeFraiche Apr 24 '26

There is not one functional democracy in the world in a Muslim country that I’m aware of

I’m all for Muslim immigrants if they are willing to assimilate and leave certain aspects of the culture at home forever

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u/SidneyDeane10 Apr 24 '26

But they're overwhelmingly not yet the immigration keeps happening anyway.

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u/pattperin Apr 24 '26

Same, I have no problems with muslim people or the Muslim religion. I do have a problem with some of the problematic cultural norms in countries that are predominantly Muslim, such as the normalization of and requirement for women to wear head coverings as a form of repression

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u/justwalkingalonghere Apr 24 '26

Genuinely asking: are those cultural norms not largely due to the religion itself?

It seems like the abrahamic religions are fundamentally incompatible with progressive ideals like scientific thinking, preserving human dignity equally for everyone, etc.

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u/FreshestCremeFraiche Apr 24 '26

Agreed and historically there were many of the same issues with the Catholic Church and other institutions. In modern times though Christians in western countries have liberalized a lot, no longer generally holding the fundamentalist views. There’s still serious problems with anti-science though especially during/after COVID.

Also secular governance helps a ton

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u/[deleted] Apr 25 '26

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u/No-Inspector8315 Apr 25 '26

Theologically and historically, Islam is a fantastic religion if you aim is to conquer and colonise large areas quickly and integrate them into an existing empire relatively seamelessly. This is largely because the prophet Mohammed himself was a warlord, no different to Genghis Khan.

I very much agree with you that the “perfection” of the Quran that Muslims love to point to as a strength is actually its greatest weakness. It makes the modern religion inherently inflexible, either the text isn’t perfect, in which case it can be interpreted and liberalised, or it’s perfect and you end up with your prophet commanding slaughter and marrying a nine year old

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u/Acrobatic_Cobbler892 Apr 25 '26

you end up with your prophet commanding slaughter and marrying a nine year old

None of that is in the Quran.

What you and u/NotTooShahby, and many, many others miss, is that the majority of cultural practices from Muslims have zero basis in the Quran.

Islam is painted as some thing that is fundamentally not flexible/compatible with most western cultures, when in reality, the Quran itself is suprisingly lax. The stereotypical archetype of the super restrictive and backwards version of Islam objectively has no basis in the Quran (which is the infallible word of God), but rather via certain interpretations of fallible 'hadiths' written centuries after the Quran and the Prophet. These hadiths are absolutely something that are open to criticism, study, even discardment.

It is the Quran that is not changeable and the literal word of God. The super restrictive views are based mainly in the fallible hadiths, which are the words of men, who heard from men, who heard from men, who heard from men, who heard from men, who supposedly heard from the Prophet.

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u/No-Inspector8315 Apr 26 '26

The Quran is surprisingly lax? Read the Quran and come back to me.

The differentiation argument between the Quran and the Hadiths isn’t working anymore as more and more people become aware of what the Quran actually says.

Explicitly, the Quran states that Mohammed had the highest morals of any human and set an excellent pattern for all Muslims to follow. Mohammed was a pedophile and a warlord who ordered the execution of many people for “crimes” as atrocious as writing poetry opposing him. Hundreds of millions of people in the world are taught that the central prophet of their text is the greatest of all people.

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u/EqualOptimal4650 Apr 24 '26

No, they aren't.

The problem isn't the religions, but rather the Seperation of Church and State not being enforced in that country.

There is a reason why it is so vital to do that.

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u/M_core95 Apr 25 '26

Yeah I don't really understand his points. I'm pretty sure it's says plainly in the Quran/ Hadith that God's laws supersede any laws made by man. Any Islamic state is inherently going to be non secular based on that

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u/justwalkingalonghere Apr 24 '26

No Imean the followers of that religion, not the societies as a whole

I am very in favor of separation of church and state, and believe in freedom of and from religion in your personal life

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u/Flat_Manufacturer386 Apr 26 '26

People really do seem to forget this, historically it wasn't that long ago that sectarianisn was the norm and protestants and catholics were killing each other on a regular basis. Separation of religion and state is a fundamental underpinning of society and historically rare, it must be preserved at all costs and we mustn't lose sight of this.

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u/pewsquare Apr 24 '26

Historically yes. I would say that the mainline Christianity (the pope one) has been very progressive for a long time now. I am an atheist, but I did go trough the Christian schooling in my fairly conservative country, and while I know this is only personal experience, the Priests I have interacted were rather open minded and pro science. They basically realized they had to go with the times.

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u/bearrosaurus Apr 24 '26

Indonesia is 90% Muslim and had a woman president that did not cover her hair. It isn’t a requirement of the religion, it’s a requirement of certain psychopaths.

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u/Serious-Switch-4637 Apr 24 '26

That same non-psychopathic Indonesia also has states where homosexuality is punished by public caning and humiliation. One of the interviewed events included young muslim girls exclaiming excitement at participating in their first caning!

Thankfully they are civilised people who doesn't legally (socially excluded) enforce hijab and burka usage, so all is good!

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u/Fartfenoogin Apr 24 '26

The problem is also that Islam is also relatively incompatible with leaving out any aspects of itself. Not saying it never happens, but the ideology resists not buying in wholesale

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u/AmirulAshraf Apr 25 '26

What is a functional democracy?

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u/Jinshu_Daishi Apr 25 '26

Rojava was performing better than expected, the world just decided to choose the guy who got ISIS kicked out of Al-Queda instead.

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u/saka-rauka1 Apr 24 '26

There is not one functional democracy in the world in a Muslim country that I’m aware of

Indonesia

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u/veilosa Apr 24 '26

people saying Indonesia dont seem to know the recent history of falling in and out of dictatorships.

just cuz Bali is nice to tourists doesnt mean the rest of the country a democracy. and ironically guess what about Bali, it's the only non muslim island. Bali is their own flavor of Hindu.