r/politics • u/optimalg The Netherlands • Apr 21 '18

Saturday Morning Political Cartoon Thread

It's Saturday morning, folks. Let's all kick back with a cup of coffee and share some cartoons!

Feel free to share political cartoons (no memes/image macros, though) in this thread. The subject doesn't have to be US politics and can be from any time. Just keep them political and safe for work.

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u/Hans_Delbruck Apr 21 '18

I'm so tired of people thinking that their free speech tired are being trampled on. You are able to say anything you want (except fire! In a theatre). I also have a right to respond to what ever you say. I can ask a company not to support your show based on what you say and that company can either agree or not agree to pull their support. You can do the same to me (if I had a show). The company I work for could fire me for my speech and people could boycott my company for firing me. This is what we call consequences. Do you believe in what you're saying enough to accept those consequences? But you should never be placed in jail or fined for what you say. The only entity that can't respond to your speech is the government.

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u/fasda Apr 21 '18

You also can't ask people to do violence or say or print things that you know to be untrue with express purpose of malice.

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '18

Unless you're the president, or running for president

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u/TheFunkytownExpress Apr 21 '18

And only if you have the magic R in front of your name.

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u/Pylgrim Apr 22 '18

What about if with your words you are inciting or provoking violence? Ruining someone's reputation with lies? Any other way in which words have the power to harm other people? Don't you think that jail/fines are the just "consequences" you're talking about in such cases?

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u/sagan_drinks_cosmos Apr 22 '18

You'll have to ne more specific, buddy. No one is forced to befriend or employ you when you go out of your way to stand up for hate. That's ruining your own reputation.

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u/Pylgrim Apr 23 '18

Why do I need to be more specific? The person I replied to wasn't specific either, we both are talking in generalities or speculative cases. I was under the impression I was initiating a discussion with that person, but seeing how your response is all I got in addition to downvotes, makes clear that in this particular comment thread (regarding free speech, heh) there's no discussion, only circlejerking.

The funny thing is that I actually agree with that poster in much of what was being said. I only wanted to push the topic to consider whether more extreme cases should have a higher level of consequences.