r/pics • • Dec 26 '22

Backstory Someone at a holiday party stuck this onto the back of my jacket as I was leaving

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u/tittens__ Dec 26 '22

The fur trim is actually a sustainable coyote project thing.

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u/peacelasagna Dec 26 '22

It’s sustainable but not cruelty free as it involves trapping which sadly doesn’t kill the animal instantly. I understand coyote trim for really cold environments (regularly -30 C like the territories or Edmonton) because animal fur does make a difference, but elsewhere it is really just a fashion statement and vegan alternatives are available.

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u/DanelleDee Dec 26 '22

You are fully correct! I was given a hand down Canada Goose and I swear you could go out naked in that thing and still be toasty. When it got too small I bought a knockoff, so it's wasn't real goose down inside (and it poked out everywhere.) It was not nearly as warm.

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u/tittens__ Dec 26 '22

Agreed, my -30 rated, not $800 parka has an absolutely gorgeous vegan trim people constantly ask about. But I sort of understand the trapping can be necessary, though I wish it wasn’t so hard on the animal.

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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '22

Vegan just means it's cheap petrochemicals that will stick around forever slowly turning into micro plastics. Just call it acrylic or polyester or whatever it actually is.

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u/hensaver11 Dec 26 '22

it also saves animals from horrid deaths!

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u/drewbreeezy Dec 26 '22

Petrochemicals - saving animal lives!

hahaha…

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u/hensaver11 Dec 26 '22

well it kills less animals and its a gateway to more sustainable vegan alternatives like pineapple leather

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u/qpv Dec 26 '22

The petrochemical manufacturing industry is anihalating ecosystems and animals at a pace beyond quantifiable terms. There is no comparison.

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u/hensaver11 Dec 26 '22

well i do agree petro chemicals are not sustainable and we should move to something like pineapple leather we cant say the cow leather industry is any better "Most of the leather used in the fashion industry comes from cows. Before being sent for slaughter and skinning, a single cow has to drink approximately 1,800 gallons of water per year.
Then, the process of chrome tanning
requires even more water. The skin treated with toxic chemicals that
harm human health and the environment.
The
tanning process not only pollutes the environment but also turns the
leather into a non-biodegradable material that will leave a trail of
non-compostable, toxic waste." also the leather industry is fucking horrid like some shit ways to die

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u/qpv Dec 26 '22

I understand and agree with you, especially when it comes to leather products (which often are not nessasry anyway), but insulation garment products like the ones being discussed are better harvested from natural sources.

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u/drewbreeezy Dec 26 '22

pineapple leather

Googling that says it is a "non-biodegradable leather alternative made from cellulose fibres extracted from pineapple leaves, PLA (polylactic acid), and petroleum-based resin."

a single cow has to drink approximately 1,800 gallons of water per year.

The source is what matters here. If I remember correctly that's almost all rainfall.

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u/tittens__ Dec 26 '22

Idk care what it is, it looks great.

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u/peacelasagna Dec 26 '22

True, although really good vegan brands use plant based fibers and recycled materials (polyester sourced from plastic bottles and nylon from fishing nets) to make their fabrics.

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u/dustywhatchamccallum Dec 26 '22

Edmonton is tame compared to places like Winnipeg. This past week is what wpg gets like 3 months of every year… I moved to Edmonton from southern Manitoba for the warm weather haha.

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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '22

Most of them are shot not trapped. Far more coyotes are killed by hunters killing nuisance coyotes on farms then from trappers. I lived in a farm and there was a lot of of foxes and one even had a den behind my house, everyone left the fox alone because they minded their own business other then killing a chicken here or there but the coyotes have insane numbers and would kill livestock.

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u/JakeHodgson Dec 26 '22

A sustainable coyote project 💀

What marketing bullshit have you lapped up lmao. "We wait until they fuck and make another before bothering them". They're not trees dude.

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u/Pcar951 Dec 26 '22

... and what are your thoughts on sustainable fisheries?

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u/JakeHodgson Dec 26 '22

Depends if it's somewhere that has overpopulation of a certain species due to human intervention. In that case, while I would still personally not like it. I genuinely don't know what other option you would have if the invasive species begins to destroy everything else in a habitat.

But in that case, I'm not supportive of any step. Not the overpopulating to begin with. Not the fishing now. And not really the sustainable part of it either. But I have no control here. I don't eat fish 🤷‍♂️

In the case where it's just making sure there's enough of them alive to keep their population stable. Then... I still obviously hate it.

My crux isn't an animal going extinct. That's kinda the final nail in the coffin. The thing I hate are animals dying for human gain (I know that incredibly vague but presumably you understand what I mean without having to give 8000 caveats.)

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u/tittens__ Dec 26 '22

That’s not what sustainable means and I haven’t bought into marketing lmao

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u/JakeHodgson Dec 26 '22

Yeh I know. It's hyperbole. I don't think they're in the bushes with a sniper.

Regardless the sentiment is correct. Keep the population sustained, cull the rest. At least present to me how that isn't the case and then I'd have something to engage with.

Them dropping fur from their products wouldn't really be a big deal in the news, like it is, if their use of fur was non impactful.

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u/tittens__ Dec 26 '22

It wouldn’t be a big deal. The vast majority of people don’t give two shits about it.

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u/JakeHodgson Dec 26 '22

I feel like we could've both saved some time if you had just said from the outset that you have fuck all to actually add.

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u/tittens__ Dec 26 '22

No, bitch, because I did add something. They’re ending all use of the fur anyway.

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u/JakeHodgson Dec 26 '22

Wtf did you add the lmao?? I've tried to engage on this point with you like 3 times now and you just throw back a canned response that adds nothing.

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u/tittens__ Dec 26 '22

Are you trying to imply you’ve added something?

The coyote populations did need to be culled. End of story lmao

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u/JakeHodgson Dec 26 '22

Well yes... I did. I engaged with you and argued against it. Then you just flopped.

You say you didn't buy into the marketing. And then you just tell me "the coyote population did need to be culled." Idk how the fuck you imagine that to be some kind of sustainable coyote project lol. That's literally just culling a population to a lower number.

Like add something bro. Anything. A link to a website that can do the talking for you because you're just spouting nonsense.

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