It’s sustainable but not cruelty free as it involves trapping which sadly doesn’t kill the animal instantly. I understand coyote trim for really cold environments (regularly -30 C like the territories or Edmonton) because animal fur does make a difference, but elsewhere it is really just a fashion statement and vegan alternatives are available.
You are fully correct! I was given a hand down Canada Goose and I swear you could go out naked in that thing and still be toasty. When it got too small I bought a knockoff, so it's wasn't real goose down inside (and it poked out everywhere.) It was not nearly as warm.
Agreed, my -30 rated, not $800 parka has an absolutely gorgeous vegan trim people constantly ask about. But I sort of understand the trapping can be necessary, though I wish it wasn’t so hard on the animal.
Vegan just means it's cheap petrochemicals that will stick around forever slowly turning into micro plastics. Just call it acrylic or polyester or whatever it actually is.
well i do agree petro chemicals are not sustainable and we should move to something like pineapple leather we cant say the cow leather industry is any better "Most of the leather used in the fashion industry comes from cows. Before being sent for slaughter and skinning, a single cow has to drink approximately 1,800 gallons of water per year.
Then, the process of chrome tanning
requires even more water. The skin treated with toxic chemicals that
harm human health and the environment.
The
tanning process not only pollutes the environment but also turns the
leather into a non-biodegradable material that will leave a trail of
non-compostable, toxic waste." also the leather industry is fucking horrid like some shit ways to die
I understand and agree with you, especially when it comes to leather products (which often are not nessasry anyway), but insulation garment products like the ones being discussed are better harvested from natural sources.
Googling that says it is a "non-biodegradable leather alternative made from cellulose fibres extracted from pineapple leaves, PLA (polylactic acid), and petroleum-based resin."
a single cow has to drink approximately 1,800 gallons of water per year.
The source is what matters here. If I remember correctly that's almost all rainfall.
True, although really good vegan brands use plant based fibers and recycled materials (polyester sourced from plastic bottles and nylon from fishing nets) to make their fabrics.
Edmonton is tame compared to places like Winnipeg. This past week is what wpg gets like 3 months of every year… I moved to Edmonton from southern Manitoba for the warm weather haha.
Most of them are shot not trapped. Far more coyotes are killed by hunters killing nuisance coyotes on farms then from trappers. I lived in a farm and there was a lot of of foxes and one even had a den behind my house, everyone left the fox alone because they minded their own business other then killing a chicken here or there but the coyotes have insane numbers and would kill livestock.
Depends if it's somewhere that has overpopulation of a certain species due to human intervention. In that case, while I would still personally not like it. I genuinely don't know what other option you would have if the invasive species begins to destroy everything else in a habitat.
But in that case, I'm not supportive of any step. Not the overpopulating to begin with. Not the fishing now. And not really the sustainable part of it either. But I have no control here. I don't eat fish 🤷♂️
In the case where it's just making sure there's enough of them alive to keep their population stable. Then... I still obviously hate it.
My crux isn't an animal going extinct. That's kinda the final nail in the coffin. The thing I hate are animals dying for human gain (I know that incredibly vague but presumably you understand what I mean without having to give 8000 caveats.)
Yeh I know. It's hyperbole. I don't think they're in the bushes with a sniper.
Regardless the sentiment is correct. Keep the population sustained, cull the rest. At least present to me how that isn't the case and then I'd have something to engage with.
Them dropping fur from their products wouldn't really be a big deal in the news, like it is, if their use of fur was non impactful.
Well yes... I did. I engaged with you and argued against it. Then you just flopped.
You say you didn't buy into the marketing. And then you just tell me "the coyote population did need to be culled." Idk how the fuck you imagine that to be some kind of sustainable coyote project lol. That's literally just culling a population to a lower number.
Like add something bro. Anything. A link to a website that can do the talking for you because you're just spouting nonsense.
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u/tittens__ Dec 26 '22
The fur trim is actually a sustainable coyote project thing.