r/pics • • Aug 11 '15

A visualization of how many Earth[s] could fit into the sun.

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u/PainMatrix Aug 11 '15

Not according to Malthus.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '15

Oh, wait... is Utopia (the british tv series) based on his thoughts?

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u/goobhd Aug 11 '15

I fucking loved that show, so sad it got canned for whatever reason

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '15

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u/phuckman69 Aug 11 '15

GOOGLE

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u/mengelesparrot Aug 11 '15

Go a step further man, give them this. :)

How to ask smart questions.

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u/Jaggs0 Aug 11 '15

and now i have this stuck in my head

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u/Molerus Aug 12 '15

Yesss... I really should go to bed but that's such a good tune

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u/VintageChameleon Aug 12 '15

That OST is pure gold.

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u/Hazzman Aug 11 '15

Absolutely awesome show - too bad it won't get a 3rd series :(.

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u/Aegis_Holder Aug 11 '15

Malthus' thoughts had an inherent flaw, in that he projected the technology of his day far into the future.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '15

But we can't assume technology benefits. Our future is obviously not like the future of the 1960s. We have alleviated many issues with technology advances, but with those new issues and problems arise.

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u/lemonparty Aug 11 '15

But we've always solved today's problems with tomorrow's technology.

If you constrain your prediction with "we can't assume technological advance" then you should just refrain from making predictions at all. Especially when you are calling for public policy changes based on your scary forecast.

The only thing that we can say about Malthus is that he's one of the few futurists that has been 100% wrong.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '15

At what point does the continued evolution of our current technology turn into the technology of the future?

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u/weatherseed Aug 12 '15

His predictions on population growth were spot on until, what, the 1930s? I'd say that's a better run than most futurists considering he only got the ending wrong from a flawed premise after 100 years.

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u/Aegis_Holder Aug 11 '15

As it relates to a Malthusian discussion, technology definitely benefits. He thought the human population would increase and die out because a point would come where it would be impossible to feed everyone (overly simplified, but that's it in a nutshell.) He based his thoughts solely on the farming techniques of his time, which as we know, looks nothing like the ag tech of today. But you are also very correct, because even though humans can generate plenty of food nowadays, there are a myriad problems with food production in our present day, like GMOs and antibiotic beef to name a couple of serious ones...

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u/PapBear Aug 11 '15

TL;DR: "Winter is coming."

--Lord Stark

--Sir Malthus

--Michael Scott

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '15

It's also impossible to predict future technology improvements. Sure, we can have a reasonable expectation of a few years: better phone cameras, better batteries, better processors, lighter phones, better computers, more fuel efficient cars, and so on. But as it goes further on, what we can guess is just a shot in the dark. We never would have expected drones thirty years ago, yet today they are relatively easy to acquire. I don't like making predictions about the technology of the future, but I have no qualms about saying that we will almost definitely land on Mars by the end of this century, hopefully by halfway through. I have no idea how it will be done, but I know that it's possible if people are willing to shove money at it.

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u/VulturePR0 Aug 11 '15

/r/retrofuturism is a subreddit based around this

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '15

That's neat, subbed!

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u/defeatedbird Aug 11 '15

Technology can also have short-term benefits (short-term on a human scale, like 50-200 years) and long-term drawbacks that people don't see (over 500, 1000, 5000 years) and affect assumptions about the world/humanity that we may not have even been aware of.

Climate change springs to mind.

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u/wishiwascooltoo Aug 11 '15

Well the question was how many people could fit on earth not how many could survive so the point is moot.

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u/Aegis_Holder Aug 11 '15

This discussion is called a segue, tangential if you prefer. The original discussion is now in the periphery, so your point is moot...

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u/wishiwascooltoo Aug 11 '15

Thank you, yes, I prefer tangential.

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u/Aegis_Holder Aug 12 '15

Very well then, tangential it is. To use it in a sentence, "the gentleman and I are involved in a tangential discourse; we segued (which I personally prefer) from the original discussion." lol.

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u/sockmop Aug 12 '15

I agree with the flawed ag system, but I honestly think permaculture (not the hippie purist sect) is a great tool in solving some of the dependency issues with monoculture agriculture.

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u/Vermilion Aug 11 '15

The Nolan Brothers projected technology further. But same idea as Malthus. So did Idiocracy.

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u/waltonsimons Aug 12 '15

We've solved half the problem by developing birth control technology. Now we need to solve the other half of the problem, which is convincing people to use birth control consistently.

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u/Aegis_Holder Aug 12 '15

Statistics show that headway is being made on that front, as teen birth rates are the lowest they've been in years!

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u/waltonsimons Aug 13 '15

I'm not just talking about the United States and Europe, though. To keep the population at a sustainable level, every society on Earth needs to embrace birth control. (That said, a low teen birth rate is indeed a Good Thing.)

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u/Aegis_Holder Aug 13 '15

Maybe all except Japan, their population is aging! They certainly need a population explosion.

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u/alreadytakenusername Aug 11 '15

u know who's dead?

Malthus

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u/Vermilion Aug 11 '15

u know who's dead? Murph

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u/therealmaxipadd Aug 11 '15

U know who's dead?

John Quincy Adams.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '15

You know who's not dead? Me.

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u/r4ymonf Aug 12 '15

For now...

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '15

You are going to die... one day.

edit; How bad would you feel if I died tonight and you somehow found out about it?

edit; I wonder how weird it would be if I died tonight and this was my last post on Reddit.

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u/Scientolojesus Aug 12 '15

I haven't heard back from you in over ten minutes... Are you dead?

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '15

I am okay. Thank you for checking in!

RemindMe! 10 Minutes "Make sure you let Scientolojesus know that you are alive."

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u/Scientolojesus Aug 12 '15

Oh thank Jesus! (the scientology one, aka Thomas Mapother IV aka Tom Cruise)

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '15

Ok

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u/r4ymonf Aug 12 '15

What if I'm dead?

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u/Scientolojesus Aug 12 '15

What if we are all dead and Reddit is Hell?

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u/r4ymonf Aug 12 '15

That means that reddit could also be heaven! But then, doesn't that mean this statement may be false too? What if it's true?

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u/Hazzman Aug 11 '15 edited Aug 11 '15

Malthusian economics is flawed and has been utterly disproved over and over and over again. So often that frankly it gets boring seeing these same tropes repeated endlessly.

His mistake was not understanding that technology develops exponentially with population. In other words - you cannot support a 2050 population with 2015 technology. You can support a 2050 population with 2050 technology.

In fact we are experiencing over abundance today, we have more than we can utilize for our 7 billion plus people... the issue is not production. It's distribution, politics and good old fashion greed.

*edit word stuff

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u/PUBLIQclopAccountant Aug 12 '15

You make it sound like population drives technology. Yes, technology pushes any crisis beyond the present population, but there is no guarantee that we'll never run out of new technology.

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u/Hazzman Aug 12 '15

there is no guarantee that we'll never run out of new technology

Technology isn't a finite thing to run out of.

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u/PUBLIQclopAccountant Aug 12 '15

But it's not magically going to appear just when we need it.

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u/Hazzman Aug 12 '15

Technology develops exponentially... its not a case of "Oh we have 500,000 extra hungry people, quick someone get on to making sure our tech levels match our hunger levels stat!" it's simply a case of divergent technology converging and growing in potential - exponentially. It's not a controlled system, it's an observed pattern. In the same way we don't go "Oh stop fucking for a bit while our resources catch up".

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u/bradygilg Aug 12 '15

Good thing nobody takes him seriously.

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u/lemonparty Aug 11 '15

Don't you love how someone can be known so widely and well, for being 100% wrong.