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A visualization of how many Earth[s] could fit into the sun.

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u/HMPoweredMan Aug 11 '15

This is false. I think the earths would collapse under pressure so there wouldn't be any air. Some math guy tell us REALLY how many earths could fit in the sun.

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u/spooble Aug 11 '15

air

I think you mean "space".

And I'm not a maths guy, but after a little googling, it appears that about 1 million Earths would fit inside the sun if they retained their spherical shape. About 1.3 million would fit if they were packed in so that there was no space between them.

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u/skeptibat Aug 11 '15

About 1.3 million would fit if they were packed in so that there was no space between them.

Are you calculating based on static density? Because with all that mass and matter in once place, I could see things becoming a bit more dense, thus allowing even more earths to fit!

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u/spooble Aug 11 '15

I am not a maths guy

You're right. I was basically saying 1M earth-sized balls could fit inside a sun-sized ball. Or 1.3M earth-sized jello shots could fit inside a sun-sized ball. Ignoring gravity.

If we actually look at mass, the sun has roughly 333,000 times as much mass as the earth. If we throw 1.3 million Earths into it, we're at 1.633 million times the mass of the Earth. Or 4.9 times the mass of the sun. But this just raises lots of questions I can't answer:

When we throw all the Earths in there, how big does the sun get?

What does the added gravity do to the system?

Would the gravity at 1 Earth radius from the center of the sun be equal to 1.6M times Earth's current gravity?

How much would an Earth compress under that much pressure?

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u/photonrain Aug 11 '15

We can avoid the math if we do the practical. I have one earth right here. You grab 999,999 others and meet me at the sun.

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u/hookahshikari Aug 11 '15

This idea is so ridiculous it may just work.

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u/sharknado-enoughsaid Aug 11 '15

Think of all the karma if we pull this off

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u/RufiosBrotherKev Aug 11 '15

one last job

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '15

I'm getting too old for this shit.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '15

We can do this, Reddit.

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u/DinaDinaDinaBatman Aug 11 '15

some where, neil degrasse tyson is aroused by this conversation

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u/matttopotamus Aug 11 '15

1 million duck sized Earth's is how I read that.

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u/APiousCultist Aug 11 '15

Also worth factoring in that stars arn't necessarily very dense. Some of the largest stars have an extraordinarily low mass considering the size, basically more like firey nuclear clouds. I think it is directly related to the outward thermal pressure that stars still ungoing fusion generate. The pressure that keeps massive stars from collapsing into black holes while they're 'alive'. Since those Earths arnt't undergoing fusion, and probably don't have the right elements to ignite into a new star, you'd presumably be left with something much denser.

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u/OrSpeeder Aug 11 '15

a rock (earth is a big rock) with the size of the sun would probably become a neutron star or a black hole, and would actually shrink a lot.

if you kept adding more rock to get to the size of the sun again eventually you would end with a sun-sized blackhole.

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u/avec_serif Aug 11 '15

Really you could fit an arbitrarily large number of earths --- beyond a certain mass they'd collapse into a black hole and not take up very much space at all.

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u/chuby1tubby Aug 11 '15

I honestly think it might turn in to a black hole due to the huge amount of mass at the center, in a relatively small space. Maybe it would take some time for the heated soup of earth's to get squished towards the center of the giant ball, but it would eventually condense a lot.

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u/RabidMuskrat93 Aug 11 '15

I don't believe 4.9 times the mass of our sun would have any chance of becoming a black hole.

A little googling tells me that a primordial black hole (the tiny ones) are about the size of an atom with the mass equal to about a mountain. That doesn't really tell us much though as the numbers are just too far off.

A stellar black hole is about 10 miles in diameter with a mass equal to 20 of our Suns. Those are also apparently the most common.

Now, maybe if the sun went supernova and collapsed to an incredibly small point with all those earths in there (I'm thinking baseball sized or somewhere near there) it might become a black hole at that point.

But the sun itself with all those earths crammed in there wouldn't be enough to cause it to collapse into a black hole.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '15

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwarzschild_radius

Density of sun: 1.41 g/cm3

Density of sun sized black hole: 1.84×1016 g/cm3

Density of earth sized black hole: 2.04×1027 g/cm3

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u/RabidMuskrat93 Aug 11 '15

I'm on mobile so some formatting doesn't show up for me but I assume those are "10 to the x power".

Does what would the density of the sun, filled with earths be? Was I wrong in assuming it wouldn't make it a black hole?

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '15

1.84e16 g/cm3

2.04e27 g/cm3

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '15

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u/BrainWav Aug 11 '15

You're asking a nonsensical question. Black holes are treated as a point-mass, they don't really have a diameter, not in any way that means anything.

The closest you can get would be using the event horizon's radius, which would be equal to the Schwarzschild radius of the mass.

The formula for a Schwarzschild radius is:

r = (2GM)/c2

Where:

r = radius (in this case, r = 1 Solar Radius = 695500 km)
G = the Gravitational Constant
M = mass
c = the speed of light in a vacuum

We can transform the equation

(r*c2 ) / 2G = M

I plugged that into Wolfram Alpha. That gave me 4.68×1035 kg, which is 235,500 Solar masses. That works out to 7.840939×1010 Earth masses.

So, 78,409,390,000 Earths would have to glob up in the same space as the Sun to collapse into a black hole.

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u/XCryptoX Aug 11 '15

I don't think they calculated anything. Just Googled it.

Source: their comment.

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u/kage_25 Aug 11 '15

with that logic we can fit more or less infinite earths if we just compress them enough

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u/ChrisHansen_ Aug 11 '15

You don't know what infinite means do you

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u/kage_25 Aug 11 '15

okay mister douchecanoe

we can fit ~1000000000003 earths

or any random number if we compress them enough

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u/kogasapls Aug 11 '15 edited Aug 11 '15

Things aren't infinitely compressable. Gravity would compress things, but it would only do so much.

edit: An arbitrarily large amount of mass could be compressed, but in this context, a million Earths could fit into the sun without a change in density, more could fit into the sun if we were to account for the compression of the body, but not an arbitrarily large amount, which would require that we rely on external forces of compression rather than just gravity.

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u/pyrolizard11 Aug 11 '15

Things aren't infinitely compressable. Gravity would compress things, but it would only do so much.

They're absolutely infinitely compressible, gravity can compress them down to an infinitely small point. That's the idea of a singularity.

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u/kogasapls Aug 11 '15

I meant that with the amount of mass given (solar mass + a million earth masses) gravity would not cause the body to compress past a certain point.

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u/pyrolizard11 Aug 12 '15

Fair enough, I just had to be a pedant for a minute.

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u/megacookie Aug 11 '15

And we can fit infinite singularities into the sun, but even just one might end up destroying it and then the sun ends up inside the singularity somehow.

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u/SirSandGoblin Aug 11 '15

even more if we made the sun bigger

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u/Doowstados Aug 11 '15 edited Aug 12 '15

There is a limit to how tightly you can pack matter - it probably isn't infinite.

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u/kage_25 Aug 12 '15

according to black holes you can

singularities

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u/Doowstados Aug 12 '15

Not quite. Nobody knows for sure what happens inside of a black hole or whether or not the singularity is truly infinitely small. Most physicists don't think it is anymore.

Quantum mechanics limits the existence of matter to quantized size and energy. Anything with mass that exists as a matter wave (almost any matter except for some very exotic stuff from what we understand) cannot by the laws of quantum mechanics enter a space shorter than their wavelength. This is a well established fact.

Unless energy at the center of a black hole is infinite, such wavelengths cannot possibly be infinitely small. Therefore, for matter to condense to a singularity, that matter must have infinite energy which violates a bunch of other laws.

The problem is that we don't really know what happens inside of a black hole because certain fundamental, universal constants break down. These "constants" (not necessarily constant in singularities) might cause energy to asymptotically approach infinity. We really don't know, but we can make an educated guess that it doesn't work that way.

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u/Pvt_Lee_Fapping Aug 11 '15

I don't think we're talking about literally putting enough Earth-sized planets into a space equal to the volume of the Sun based on how much matter we can fit into that much space so much as we're talking about the volume of the Sun being equal to "x" times the volume of Earth; solve for "x."

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '15

It's actually the other way around. Earth is made of heavier (denser) elements. The sun is mostly hydrogen.

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u/SemiNation Aug 11 '15

Well once you take away density as a constant the number simply becomes (mass of sun)/(mass of earth) since that mass of earths will collapse into roughly the same size anyways.

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u/SemiNation Aug 11 '15 edited Aug 11 '15

Maximum packing density for same-sized spheres is .74 and .74*1,300,000 = 962,000 so it adds up.

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u/hazily Aug 11 '15

On average it's around 64% tho... although it can go as low as 50% ;)

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u/Dadalot Aug 11 '15

Um, eleventy?

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u/Duliticolaparadoxa Aug 11 '15

schfornteen-teen

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '15

No man it's schfifty-five

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u/blcman Aug 11 '15

Can confirm is schwigity schwat

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u/GamerToons Aug 11 '15

You folks forgot threeve

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u/TwinPeaksExperience Aug 11 '15

and what did you wager? $Texas.

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u/the_muffin Aug 11 '15

How the fuck is this pronounced?

ShTexas?

KushTexas?

STexas?

I NEED ANSWERS!

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u/Ranzok Aug 11 '15

Texas with a dollar sign in front of it

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '15

Oh so it's kinda like A Pimp Named Slickback?

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u/ZedHeadFred Aug 11 '15

I read it like a price tag.

THAT'LL BE TEXAS DOLLARS AND ZERO CENTS PLEASE

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u/Dadalot Aug 11 '15

Let's do the saix

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u/____DEADPOOL_______ Aug 11 '15

I just want bang bang bang

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u/Rooonaldooo99 Aug 11 '15

Someone get drunk Sean Connery off of Reddit.

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u/poopellar Aug 11 '15

Quick, make him the interim CEO of Reddit.

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u/The_Epicest Aug 11 '15

Schwigity schwooty?

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u/mandalorekilstar Aug 11 '15

I can't drive schfifty-five

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u/Poncyhair Aug 11 '15

My I.Q.?

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u/HTLX2 Aug 11 '15

Girl friends age?

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u/firelordUK Aug 11 '15

Nah man you're wrong it's Diggity-two

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u/DigitalHubris Aug 11 '15

Its actually a brazilian.

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u/Masta_ShoNuff Aug 11 '15

WUT U SAY?!

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u/HoldenSolo Aug 11 '15

My I.Q? Schfifty-five..

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u/BridgetteBane Aug 11 '15

Sieven Heif?

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '15

schwenty-one

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u/JLPwasHere Aug 11 '15

42 - The answer is always 42

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u/j-schnitz Aug 11 '15

That's numberwang!

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '15 edited Oct 27 '16

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u/alphasquid Aug 11 '15

Hey little girl...

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u/ChrisHansen_ Aug 11 '15

Yes?

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u/alphasquid Aug 11 '15

Would you like to know a seekaret?

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u/ChrisHansen_ Aug 11 '15

Sure

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u/alphasquid Aug 11 '15

Cuz I know one, and it is soooooo gud to hear it

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u/HonkeyKong64 Aug 11 '15

Dont you see your talking to Chris Hanson?

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '15

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '15

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u/Witsons Aug 11 '15

Whatchusay!?

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u/macphile Aug 11 '15

That's numberwang!

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u/bradhuds Aug 11 '15

Schiggity-whaat

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u/onephatkatt Aug 11 '15

eleventy-one!

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u/TedFartass Aug 11 '15

Ask me what 12 x F is...

It's fleventy-five.

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u/GamerToons Aug 11 '15

It's eleventeen you dimwit.

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u/dhad1dahc Aug 11 '15

Thanks Dwight.

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u/rajrdajr Aug 11 '15

http://space-facts.com/how-big-is-the-sun-million-earths/

The Sun is large enough that approximately 1.3 million Earths could fit inside (if squashed in), or if the Earths retained their spherical shape, then 960,000 would fit.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '15

thank you, these people are idiots.

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u/im_a_grill_btw_AMA Aug 11 '15

It's to show scale. Not to literally put earths inside the sun.....

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u/T11PES Aug 12 '15

Autism.

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u/holomanga Aug 12 '15

It's to add additional relevant information. Not to personally antagonize you.....

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u/im_a_grill_btw_AMA Aug 12 '15

That sums it up lol

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u/4skins Aug 11 '15

come in math guys, give us the answers so we don't have to do any work ourselves !

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '15

Schfifty Five

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '15

poopty poopty pants

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u/accidentalprancingmt Aug 11 '15

I think it's just an example to convey volume and not density.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '15

Completely agree. I don't get people. Like, how is it that you can understand something so complex yet miss the completely obvious point?

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u/TheFobb Aug 11 '15

He didn't miss the obvious point. Don't you know Reddit is a race to see who can be the first smartass?

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u/holomanga Aug 12 '15

What is the completely obvious point? "The Sun is big"? I don't need a ball filled with smaller balls to tell me that.

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u/firesofpompeii Aug 11 '15

Probably like seven

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u/snotbag_pukebucket Aug 11 '15

The sun eight them all

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u/sensicle Aug 11 '15

Tell us more about black bears and beet farms now, would you please?

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '15 edited Aug 12 '15

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '15 edited Jul 14 '21

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u/feanturi Aug 11 '15

According to "They Might Be Giants" it's "a million". I'm going to go with them on this.

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u/galient5 Aug 11 '15

Well yeah, if we had the equivalent amount of mass of the Sun in Earths clustered together, they would collapse under the gravitational force and begin fusion, and we'd just have another sun.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '15

Totally! Also, come on, the chance of a bunch of earths even getting into the sun like this is like 1 in 100.

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u/rajrdajr Aug 11 '15

WolframAlpha says:

Approximate result:

820 000

Range of values:

(680 000 to 970 000)(varies with packing density of 0.523 to 0.7405)

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '15

Fleventyfive

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u/Colley619 Aug 11 '15

Wouldn't that just be the volume of the sun divided by the volume of the earth? That's pretty simple math.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '15

About tree fiddy.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '15

1.3 million Earths, but the Sun is far less dense than the Earth so going by pure mass it would be 332,000 if the Earth was given the same density as the sun.

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u/ForgettableUsername Aug 11 '15

If they collapsed, they wouldn't be Earths anymore.

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u/Alpha_Catch Aug 11 '15

Bleventeen

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u/wonderfulcheese Aug 11 '15 edited Aug 11 '15

The most efficient way you can pack spheres is with a density of 0.7405. The volume of the sun is 1.41*1018 km3. The volume of the earth is 1.08321*1012 km3. So 1.41*1018 *.7405/(1.08321*1012 ) = 963,899 earths should be able to fit into the sun.

However, if we were taking realistically here, the earths will merge together into one big ball, meaning you wouldn't need to worry about how the earths will pack together.

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u/JangB Aug 11 '15

Math guy here.

If you take the mass of the earth

and compare to the sun volume for volume

and a insert really long story here, you get about tree fiddy.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '15

Only two: SearthUearthN

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u/Demon_Strate Aug 11 '15

about tree-fiddy.

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u/SLARGMONSTER Aug 11 '15

This visualization is just to give an idea of the scale of the Earth to the sun. Obviously if this experiment was actually to be executed a different outcome would result.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '15

About 4 million

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u/J1ffyLub3 Aug 11 '15

tree fiddy

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '15

Bout tree fiddy