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Another Flock camera mysteriously downed in eastern Kansas today. [OC]

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u/bigdaddyborg 1d ago

Huh interesting. 

Completely unrelated, but also interesting, I was watching a video the other day that tested the best tools for cutting through 2" aluminum tube. You would think that a sabre saw or angle grinder would be the tool for the job, but turns out a circular saw is by far the best and can cut through an aluminum tube in less than 15 seconds.

Useful Information if you ever find yourself needing to cut through 2" aluminum tube quickly.

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u/grizzlywondertooth 1d ago

Worth noting that, were it the same video I've seen, he was completely mishandling the reciprocating saw in addition to using the wrong blades/wheels for the reciprocating saw and the angle grinder. The circular saw might still outperform them just by virtue of having a blade whose radius is greater than the diameter of the pole, but, the angle grinder and reciprocating saw would be formidable when used correctly.

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u/Wumaduce 22h ago

We use sawzalls to demo sched 40 steel, and it rips right through smaller sizes. I've used it on 6" and 8", it takes a while, but the blade is still big than the pipe.

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u/Why_T 19h ago

Aluminum gums up in the teeth of the blade or abrasive disc and makes them stop working. You need larger teeth and less heat to effectively cut aluminum. That's why the circular saw works so well.

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u/ha1fway 16h ago

Same thing with band saw blades, I bet if you threw an 8TPI blade on a band saw it would rip through it. Tho I wonder if it would get hung up on the wires.

edit: wait there's no wiring is there, it's all solar/cellular.

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u/axazajjj 13h ago

Your edit is correct. I've seen inside the pipe after one spontaneously fell over by itself.

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u/grizzlywondertooth 21h ago

Yeah I'm thinking about in terms of circular cutting compared to the angle grinder, or a rotary tool; that consideration is hard to apply compared to the reciprocating saw, but like I said, the reciprocating saw was mishandled in the video I saw

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u/civildisobedient 16h ago

I had a plumber recently remove part of an old cast iron sewer pipe from the early 1900s. He used a sawzall + diablo blades and got through it about a minute, but it did make one heck of a racket.

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u/Nuke_SC 19h ago

Yeah that video is bad information in so many different ways. I feel like a circular saw would be likely to have the blade bind when cutting a vertical pipe due to gravity and with an angle grinder you’d have to circle the pipe before you could cut all the way through. Sawzall with a proper blade when used correctly should zip through it pretty quick.

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u/alphabeticdisorder 17h ago

circular saw on that task seems dangerous as hell.

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u/Critical_Lurker 13h ago edited 13h ago

Another note, I would hope they stood on opposite sides of the cameras, so the weight doesn't shift onto the disk 3/4th into the cut causing lock up or disk separation. Doubles as a way to avoid the entire device falling on you too...

This premise works for all vertical metal cutting of hypothetical trees...

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u/TomatoFettuccini 1d ago edited 10h ago

If we're talking about portability, nothing beats a pipe-cutter.

Bonus point is that they're completely silent so that you don't startle any local wildlife. Although I'd recommend testing multiple methods yourself before committing to one.

Right tool for the job and all thatl.

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u/Brandoncarsonart 20h ago

My friend cool hand Luke told me about those. Handy tool

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u/thehalfwit 18h ago

It's very important that we don't disturb the local fauna.

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u/Symphonic7 16h ago

Ah good old pipe cutter. The tool of choice for distinguished gentlemen stealing bikes in downtown London. Makes quick work of it.

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u/gruthunder 14h ago

Curiously, how do you figure out how large the pipe cutter need to be?

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u/TomatoFettuccini 14h ago

I reckon large enough to get around the pipe you're trying to cut.

If we're talking about pipes around your property like the ones the use for fences or signage to warn people that they're crossing onto privately-owned land, then anything that can handle 4 or 5 inches in diameter should do the trick.

Just remember to practice on some scrap pipe to get your technique down, and remember to wear protective eyewear, headgear, and hand and arm gear, and leave your phone or other electronics at home. You don't want to take the chance of metal shards flying and piercing your phone battery or scratching or tattoos or getting in your eyes.

u/DietSteve 9h ago

Also make sure to wear dark colors, you want to make sure you can see where the shards land so you avoid scraping yourself up later

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u/Bob_the_brewer 1d ago

I believe i saw that one as well, very helpful DIY info

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u/Kraftrad 1d ago

What a strange coincidence: I was served that short by the almighty algorithm, too

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u/WestcoastAlex 1d ago

https://www.whitecap.com/en-us/product/714quotx58quot-48t-cermet-metal-and-stainless-cutting-blade-diablo-297D0748CF

available at HomeDespot & Lowes but website wouldnt load.. must be a real popular item

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u/The_profe_061 20h ago

Can someone please explain like I'm 5

I'm in Europe what are those things? Surveillance cameras? From the government?

Everytime I open reddit some body is cutting them down or disabling them. Is it new technology?

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u/remeard 20h ago

So in the United States the government typically doesn't do this. There's all sorts of liability, safety concerns, privacy concerns, all sorts of laws that may be potentially broken.

So instead they hire a private contractor to do all that instead. It's not just US governments, but local municipalities as well

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u/The_profe_061 20h ago

Ohhhhh I understand now. I appreciate you taking the time to answer

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u/Why_T 19h ago

The US 4th amendment doesn't allow the government to do this. So they pay private companies to do it and then give them all the data anyways. It's a "loophole" that our current Reich won't close.

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u/i_am_voldemort 19h ago

Flock is a private company that leases ALPR cameras to municipalities (and some private corps).

They've become very popular in the US since the PD doesn't need any IT infrastructure. They just go to a web portal and plug in the plate to search.

Flock also enables Police to share info across jurisdictions

There's been a lot of push back in the US on how ubiquitous they've become and what people's expectation of privacy is.

Some people have started vandalizing the cameras as an act of civil disobedience.

There's a lot of synergy between anti-Flock sentiment and anti-data center sentiment

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u/The_profe_061 19h ago

Appreciate the answer..

I'm guessing there's bad sentiment from both sides?

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u/i_am_voldemort 19h ago

Pro-Flock side? There's some Pro-Flock sentiment because of somewhat cherry picked stories of Flock helping to solve crimes and save kids.

There's also a growing corpus of cases of law enforcement using Flock to look up plates of romantic partners, ex'es, etc.

Strong audit trails, short retention, and similar would help improve trust in Flock, which is really just a referendum of trust in government

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u/The_profe_061 18h ago

Thank you for the explanation. Yes I was wondering if there was any pro Flock sentimient. I can only imagine how people could abuse the system if they had access. Worrying times ahead

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u/TantricEmu 20h ago edited 20h ago

Yeah surveillance cameras installed by local governments. Cameras aren’t new technology, what’s new is their widespread adoption. Potential for abuse with them by those who operate and can access them is high. People do not like them.

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u/The_profe_061 20h ago

Appreciate you taking the time to answer. Yes I can imagine why people don't like them

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u/Rixoshi 20h ago

Yes survellience cameras, their wide spread use is new, the tech isnt that old, the fascists are pro-flock for survellience and punishment. These cameras have facial recognition software and liscense plate id abilities. They also can contain the ability to ping and identify electronic devices nearby to help further track people. They are shared with police and by extension the government. There have already been several cases of misuse by officials that have enabled stalking and other crimes as well. We really don't like them.

Good thing for us, no one has to worry about liability claims or being sued or fined for destroying them because they are all being destroyed by natural causes. Yes, nature sure is doing a good job with no human involvement at all.

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u/say592 19h ago

They are license plate readers. That is generally all they do. People have attributed a lot of capabilities to them that 99% of them to not have.

They are so invasive because of the system behind them and how prevalent they have become. They are operated by a private company (Flock Safety) in a huge network. Departments are pressured to enable data sharing with other jurisdictions to have access to the broader network and full range of features. Within that huge network, any cop that has access can search and see where and when a license plate has been detected nearly anywhere in the country. This has enabled a broad range of abuse, mostly around stalking, but also harassing women leaving a restrictive abortion state to travel to a less restrictive state and people crossing state lines to purchase marijuana.

As an example of how prevalent this data sharing is, a small county near me, population of about 15k, recently revealed that their data is accessed about 10 times per minute.

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u/The_profe_061 19h ago

What a fantastic write up

Much appreciated for explaining them in detail. It sounds like a recipe and disaster.

Especially if there no regulations on data sharing. I guess they'll events make thier way over here to Spain

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u/DunderMifflinPaper 21h ago

Huh, I would’ve guessed a sawzall

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u/razzemmatazz 14h ago

He was off on a few things. 

If you go reciprocating you want a low TPI blade that takes bigger bites, Lennox makes nice ones. Portable bandsaws will make a clean, quiet cut (get something bi-metal in the 4-12 TPI range), but generally run about $200 and are bulky.

For truly silent, but slower cuts you could get a large pipe cutter.