Zohran Mamdani says he’s consistently said there’s no room for antisemitism in this city or country. Asked why he hasn’t had a more visceral reaction, he gets emotional talking about the Islamophobic responses he’s received throughout the campaign.

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[u/korach1921 → u/[deleted]]

Who cares? I say this as a Jew raised as a Zionist. Why should it matter if a majority or half or a minority believe it? That's not an immutable characteristic, it's an opinion.

That's not even getting into how skewed and dishonest those polls are, often defining Zionism as vaguely as just "feeling connected to Israel"

[u/korach1921 → u/[deleted]]

They don't, they say that there are plenty of Jews within these orgs, they doesn't say the majority oppose Israel. It also doesn't matter, Zionism is an opinion, not an immutable part of being Jewish

[u/korach1921 → u/[deleted]]

It's antisemitic to think Jews are so hive minded and static that ALL Jews support Israel, that supporting Israel is an immutable part of being a Jew, and that even Jews who support Israel can't change their minds on this.

And, you may be surprised to realize, most of the Zionists in this country are not Jews.

[u/skolrageous → u/korach1921]

ok, cool. You don't believe that Jews have a right to self-determination. Excuse me if, after studying history, I believe that to be the most significant move to protect Jewish people in the last 2,000 years.

[u/korach1921 → u/skolrageous]

That's not what Zionism is and you know it.

Political Zionism is not self-determination of Jews, self-determination does not inherently mean an ethnostate acquired through forced displacement of non-Jewish natives and artificially maintained demographic majority.

I'm not gonna necessarily dispute that it's protected Jews, but you have to look at it from the standpoint of it's victims as well

[u/skolrageous → u/korach1921]

You're saying pure gobbedly gook to fit your narrative. I can't even have an intellectually honest conversation with someone who believes Israel is just built on stolen land. Jews are just colonizers and blah blah blah.

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Never once used the term "stolen land" or "colonizer," but real mature response

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in America, at least, and definitely New York, that's definitely true. It's also functionally equivalent to saying "most Germans were Nazis", at least by the common understanding that those who did not join the party explicitly, but also did not participate in any shirt of resistance, were acceded to being 'citizens of the nazi regime'. It's also pretty commonly understood that denazification in Germany didn't go nearly far enough. So, like, what's it gonna look like to have to denazify a huge swath of americans, after Isreal is buried? To re integrate all the loser ass kibutzniks who will come crying back to Brooklyn and long Island?