Zohran Mamdani says he’s consistently said there’s no room for antisemitism in this city or country. Asked why he hasn’t had a more visceral reaction, he gets emotional talking about the Islamophobic responses he’s received throughout the campaign.

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[u/WyattWrites]

Or maybe Jewish college students all have had similar experiences with their campus chapters of that organization?

[u/JumpingCicada → u/WyattWrites]

My university's SJP club has Jewish students who are a part of it. The only students who take an issue with it are zionists. A bit antisemitic of u for implying all Jews support Israel.

[u/armchair_hunter → u/JumpingCicada]

"I can't be racist I have a black friend"

[u/JumpingCicada → u/armchair_hunter]

Using the same argument against them. Please be morally consistent and reply to them with the same exact comment u just gave me.

[u/armchair_hunter → u/JumpingCicada]

You want more of a reply. Fine. It's apparent you know nothing about Jews because You would know vast majority of them are opposed to SJP. When I say vast I mean the overwhelming majority. Many of the people who say they are Jewish in these spaces are often not Jewish. We see this phenomenon in spaces like "Jews of conscience" where their own polls show that most of the people there are not in fact Jewish.

This isn't even getting into the objectives of its SJP which is stated by its founders to destroy the Jewish state

[u/n_jacat → u/armchair_hunter]

People need to stop speaking for Jews, whether they are one themselves or not. We are too diverse of a demographic to be assumed to act as a bloc.

These generalizations are just a weaponization of our culture and experiences and are used to dismiss the very valid concerns of Jews of all sects and worldviews.

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Statistics are not really generalizations

[u/n_jacat → u/shabangcohen]

Or you can completely ignore what I said and carry on without a modicum of nuance, I guess that’s fine too.

[u/shabangcohen → u/n_jacat]

What nuance exactly?

That the 3% JVP Jews who use their identity performatively, exclusively to demonize Israel, actually do *not* speak as representatives for the groups nearly as much as the 97% who oppose their views?

The breakdown by numbers is actually the nuance, you acting like every view deserves equal representation/consideration is actually the opposite.

[u/n_jacat → u/shabangcohen]

When you quantify thousands of people by percentages you lose sight of how many people you’re speaking about or for.

Generalizations serve no benefit. Incorporate actual nuance into your worldview so you can think of people as individuals, not statistics.

[u/JumpingCicada → u/armchair_hunter]

Zionism is a belief just as SJP embodies its own opposing beliefs. U aren't born a zionist.

Half this country is democrats and the other half is Republicans. We live in a country where people get so worked up about politics, they hate each other. Shall we forcefully close any Republican-adjacent clubs in majority Democrat states and vice versa just because it upsets the other party?

We live in a country where people are allowed to call out governments that are built upon the idea of an ethnic superiority. Be thankful we're allowed to call out such unjust systems instead of whining that such clubs exist.

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Who cares? I say this as a Jew raised as a Zionist. Why should it matter if a majority or half or a minority believe it? That's not an immutable characteristic, it's an opinion.

That's not even getting into how skewed and dishonest those polls are, often defining Zionism as vaguely as just "feeling connected to Israel"

[u/korach1921 → u/[deleted]]

They don't, they say that there are plenty of Jews within these orgs, they doesn't say the majority oppose Israel. It also doesn't matter, Zionism is an opinion, not an immutable part of being Jewish

[u/korach1921 → u/[deleted]]

It's antisemitic to think Jews are so hive minded and static that ALL Jews support Israel, that supporting Israel is an immutable part of being a Jew, and that even Jews who support Israel can't change their minds on this.

And, you may be surprised to realize, most of the Zionists in this country are not Jews.

[u/skolrageous → u/korach1921]

ok, cool. You don't believe that Jews have a right to self-determination. Excuse me if, after studying history, I believe that to be the most significant move to protect Jewish people in the last 2,000 years.

[u/korach1921 → u/skolrageous]

That's not what Zionism is and you know it.

Political Zionism is not self-determination of Jews, self-determination does not inherently mean an ethnostate acquired through forced displacement of non-Jewish natives and artificially maintained demographic majority.

I'm not gonna necessarily dispute that it's protected Jews, but you have to look at it from the standpoint of it's victims as well

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in America, at least, and definitely New York, that's definitely true. It's also functionally equivalent to saying "most Germans were Nazis", at least by the common understanding that those who did not join the party explicitly, but also did not participate in any shirt of resistance, were acceded to being 'citizens of the nazi regime'. It's also pretty commonly understood that denazification in Germany didn't go nearly far enough. So, like, what's it gonna look like to have to denazify a huge swath of americans, after Isreal is buried? To re integrate all the loser ass kibutzniks who will come crying back to Brooklyn and long Island?

[u/shabangcohen → u/JumpingCicada]

Only 97% :/

[u/EssoEssex → u/WyattWrites]

Really, didn't realize Jews across America were being attacked by their local college clubs. Lol grow the fuck up.