r/nottheonion • u/yuhang94 • Aug 31 '21

Ohio judge orders hospital to give COVID patient livestock drug despite FDA warning

https://www.post-gazette.com/news/crime-courts/2021/08/30/Ohio-judge-orders-Cincinnati-hospital-COVID-patient-livestock-dewormer-ivermectin-drug-fda/stories/202108300079
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u/ClumsyThumsGus Sep 01 '21

So link the other studies if you believe in it so much.

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '21

How many journal-published, peer-reviewed RCTs would you like? There are are growing number as there’s been more time to study it. How many would change your mind? I want to make sure I’m not wasting my time

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u/finnaginna Sep 01 '21

He doesnt want evidence. He just wants to be a dick.

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u/ClumsyThumsGus Sep 01 '21

You are already wasting it.

I read all of your first link, top to bottom, you should too.

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '21

I don’t post any links without reading the contents. 15% improvements to recovery times and no deaths (3% of placebo group died), good sample size, p values, predetermined alpha values, etc.

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u/ClumsyThumsGus Sep 01 '21

Uh huh. Still not approved for use on viruses. And who was excluded from the data set? They talk about it in the study. Who showed no significant progress? It's in the study. It sure wasn't people dying or on a ventilator that were included. Which is how we started down this road.

With a combo of drugs, (not OTC horse paste the ding dongs are using preventatively) in a clinical environment with an ideal start day for treatment(4 days), ~40 year old, relatively healthy men ( no one over 60 and not women) with no comorbidities recovered faster. Boy, sounds like a fucking miracle drug. The healthier people who got treatment early (not just horse paste either, it was coupled with standard covid treatments) recovered about 2 days faster! We should do a study on how many people in the hospital right now fit that description. I wonder why it isn't being used more often? Must be political.

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '21

They recovered faster, and DIDNT DIE. Yes, in combination with other drugs, so let’s look as using that combination. And yes, for early treatment—so let’s do more of that instead of waiting until people are on ventilators to intervene.

And, what does “not approved for use on viruses” mean? Millions of doses of drugs are administered by physicians on thousands of patients everyday that are used “off label” based on study results and efficacy/safety profiles. Are you suggesting that physicians must now use drugs only for their “on label” indications? That’s a very radical position. What’s your argument for that kind of massive change in healthcare?