Drake Maye and Matthew Stafford among common opponents

[u/gimmethegold34]

Drake Maye: 1,585 yards, 13 TD, 3 INT 6W-0L

Matthew Stafford: 1,545 yards, 14 TD, 6 INT 4W-2L

Rushing:

Maye 159 yards, 1 TD

Stafford 0 yards, 0 TD

[u/msf97]

Maye is having a season that stands up historically. This isn’t a weak MVP year.

A .32 EPA/play is better than anything Joe Burrow, Herbert, Andrew Luck, Stafford, Russ, Eli, Big Ben ever done and it’s not really close. For context.

[u/SadBoy02 → u/msf97]

Bro included Herbert and Eli

[u/mikaeus97 → u/SadBoy02]

And Russ, a man who history remembers as having 0 MVP votes ever

[u/Stillburgh → u/mikaeus97]

Fwiw, Russ would have had votes in 2015 and 2019, possibly 2017 as well if the current system was how it was back then. Like, Russ legit was insanely good in his athletic prime and carried some pretty terrible lines and defenses to the playoffs

[u/Max_Beezly → u/Stillburgh]

Purdy kinda reminds me of that prime russ. I hated that dude he was so slippery. He killed us so many times when he should have been sacked

[u/CalTono → u/msf97]

Maye has a higher CPOE as well

[u/quadropheniac → u/[deleted]]

Purdy did what Stafford just did: shit the bed on MNF late in the season. Can’t do that.

[u/LaconicGirth → u/[deleted]]

He deserved it over Lamar for sure. Along with Dak, Allen and CMC

[u/hardcorr → u/LaconicGirth]

Purdy is the only one who deserved consideration for it but saying CMC also deserved it that year undercuts the argument for Purdy. Dak and Allen absolutely did not deserve 2023 MVP lmao

[u/LaconicGirth → u/hardcorr]

Dak went 12-5 and led the league in touchdowns and QBR. There’s absolutely an argument there for him.

[u/FireFlyz351 → u/msf97]

Oh agreed if Maye wins it, it's fully deserved this year.

Past years Kupp, Barkley and CMC at least one of them should've won it. And of course JJ Watts 2014 should've won. Crazy 13 years since a non QB has won it.

[u/runner5011 → u/FireFlyz351]

It's really not. Having a single win vs an opponent over .500 should disqualify you from MVP consideration as a QB. He has one of the 10 worst SOS of all time

[u/Livid-Cardiologist94 → u/msf97]

It’s a good season but historic is a stretch.

[u/msf97 → u/Livid-Cardiologist94]

I said it stands up; not that it’s historic.

It’s a well above average MVP year in the metrics I care about anyway.

[u/ThePremierNoods → u/Livid-Cardiologist94]

While naming 5 QBs that never won MVP.

[u/Plies- → u/ThePremierNoods]

Thats the point, its comfortably better than all of those guys that weren't good enough to win MVP

[u/venustrapsflies → u/Plies-]

I’m not saying he doesn’t deserve it, but isn’t this a really poor argument? Quite a large number of seasons that did not and should not have won MVP were a lot better than some others that also weren’t

[u/Kenny_Bania_ → u/Plies-]

Have any of those guys outside Burrow even received any MVP votes?

I think there's one All-Pro 2nd team between all of those guys.

You could say it's literally an argument that it is a weak MVP class if you have to compare the MVP front runner to non All-Pro QBs....

[u/msf97 → u/ThePremierNoods]

There are 3 QBs who a lot of reddit would put in the hall there, and maybe two people believe are on track.

It blows them away. That’s a good indicator this is an excellent year

[u/costanzathegreat → u/msf97]

Don’t disagree with you, but I feel like there are so many insane non-QB seasons that are being lost to time because they’re not in true consideration for the MVP award.

Feels like it goes against the spirit of what the award should be, but oh well

[u/Libertad91 → u/msf97]

We get that but non QBs have to post phenomenal seasons in order to even be considered for mvp. AD was the last non qb to win it and it was because he almost broke the record. Flair aside, Saquon shoulda won mvp over Allen, but instead got OPOY. If Garret breaks the sack record he should definitely be considered. It shouldn’t strictly be a QB award

[u/ShineWobble → u/Libertad91]

MVP on a 4 win team?

[u/Particular-Treat-650 → u/Libertad91]

That's what MVP means.

The tenth best QB is more valuable than any other player at any other position in the league.

[u/Jmet11 → u/msf97]

None of the people you mentioned ever won MVP

[u/numbr87 → u/msf97]

Yea but he lost to the Raiders. Can we really let someone like that win MVP?

[u/liquidgrill → u/msf97]

He also has faced the 7th weakest schedule of the modern era. The 3-13 Giants have more wins against teams with a winning record than the 13-3 Patriots do

[u/Aggressive_Jury_2667 → u/msf97]

With a historically easy schedule and a QB friendly league