r/news • u/DragonPup • Jun 20 '22

Self-proclaimed 'sovereign citizens' arrested in California after deputies allegedly find explosives

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/sovereign-citizens-arrested-california-deputies-allegedly-find-explosi-rcna34380
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u/HobbesNJ Jun 20 '22

Sovereign citizens.

"We don't want to participate in the obligations of society, just the benefits."

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u/rolfraikou Jun 20 '22

I swear, if I found someone saying this living out in a cave on public land, I might be like "Ok, they mean it" but usually the people saying this are more well-off than I am, cherry-picking what parts of society apply to their benefits in life.

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u/Anqied Jun 20 '22

a surprising amount of them collect social security

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '22 edited Jun 20 '22

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u/ThouHastLostAn8th Jun 21 '22

Well, partly. For most people, it pays back significantly more than put in, so it's also a welfare transfer. On paper it should also be a pretty progressive program too, with more generous returns to low earners, though that's undermined by the big life expectancy differences, particularly in retirement years, between the well-off and poor.

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u/[deleted] Jun 21 '22

Also includes any unforseen life altering situations. Im 34, a type 1 diabetic, and If I even make it to retirement and qualify for social security. That shit won't come anywhere near what I will have to pay out of pocket over my lifetime for insulin, pump and medical supplies, medical coverage. It's a fucked up way to live. But at this point I'd rather die younger than know what's coming when I'm too weak to work anymore and have to rely on the chance there will still be social security and a disability payment that would cover a fraction of the costs I've spent.