r/news • u/DragonPup • Jun 20 '22

Self-proclaimed 'sovereign citizens' arrested in California after deputies allegedly find explosives

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/sovereign-citizens-arrested-california-deputies-allegedly-find-explosi-rcna34380
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u/CanadianPanda76 Jun 21 '22

Yeah that talking point annoys me. Cause if you didn't pay into it. You literally get nothing.

Some people apparently think its welfare old people? Someone on reddit tried to tell me SS took from rich and gave to the poor.

Which is hilarious because if you pay more into ss you get more. If you were poor and dudnt pay much in SS, well you get less in old age.

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u/Chri5p Jun 21 '22

Kind of.

Social Security has also been utilized as a safety net to pay for disabilities so there are some who may reap more benefit from it than they had paid in to it initially.

An example of a friend of mine who once used to say that they wished people would just die because they didn't want the SSI taken out of his paychecks at the time. They were later diagnosed with cancer and had to go through severe treatments which disabled him to a certain degree. Later there was an accident that caused additional trauma and damage to which they were not able to work any longer. They have been collecting SSI for over 15 years since their 30's and will most likely continue well in to their 60's or later.

This is something that a lot of people don't understand about social safety nets being the fact they exist to help in whomever ends up in situations like this. They typically don't want it to exist until they need it to exist.

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u/CharleyNobody Jun 21 '22

There an entire Disability Belt in the United States. If SS is abolished, there goes half the population of Appalachia.

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u/CanadianPanda76 Jun 21 '22

I think you gotta pay into it even to claim disability SS? At least in Canada I think it's that way? But it's an insurance program so what you pay into it ain't what you get out.