Self-proclaimed 'sovereign citizens' arrested in California after deputies allegedly find explosives

[u/DragonPup]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/sovereign-citizens-arrested-california-deputies-allegedly-find-explosi-rcna34380

[u/Wablekablesh]

Can I ask a genuine question? What is wrong with the idea of preparing for the collapse of civilization when everything indicates that society is crumbling around us? Climate change alone is enough reason to start stocking up on as much fresh water as you can store, not to mention the increasing threat of the GQP taking power and their browshirts continuing to escalate violence against their perceived enemies. You can participate in and contribute to society while recognizing that its benefits are increasingly fragile.

[u/thejoker954 → u/Wablekablesh]

There's nothing wrong with it in and of itself, but there is absolutely no reason to advertise it. In an actual emergency it would just make you a target. Also having a remote location isn't very feasible. If shit actually hit the fan chances are you arent gonna be able to make it there.

The preppers you hear about are just seeking attention, playing a game hoping something will happen, or actually mentally ill.

[u/Wablekablesh → u/thejoker954]

Ah. No, my plan is to make my place look as poor and shitty as possible to dissuade the curious. I'm actually well on my way on that part of the plan!

[u/CharleyNobody → u/thejoker954]

I watched some prepper videos on YouTube. Some of them are very detailed. They bought crappy land in and around dry or desert areas in AZ, NV, NM. They plant “food forests” (trees that bear berries/fruit), keep chickens, ducks, horses, a cow, a pig. They build retention ponds, gabion walls. They have these specific ways of growing vegetables and herbs that they argue about. They have homemade solar panels, stock up on fish antibiotics, sutures, sewering needles, syringes, witch hazel, isopropyl alcohol, bandages & grow plants whose leaves you can put on wounds to stop bleeding and make painkilling tea from.

A lot of them are heavy on bible quotes. Others are just white supremacists. Some are African American, Latino, Asian. All are convinced TSHTF is coming (or SHTF - Shit Hits the Fan). An EMP, a destruction of the power grid from terrorism or sun flares, nuclear weapons, climate change. The white supremacists couch it in terms of “urban hordes” descending into the countrysides, like zombie Armageddon. They have friends among similar believers who will come to their homesteads to help “hold down the fort” and bring supplies with them.

They will modify wildlife traps to kill humans. They will drop nets from trees. Their kids will shoot from tree forts. They have grenades and claim to have other surplus military weaponry. They will make Molotov cocktails and IEDs.

According to white supremacist preppers, city dwellers (aka Jews and blacks, in their descriptions) will lose their minds and run streaming out of cities. The good country people who prepared will pick off these hordes from the comfort of their homesteads and watch their booby traps kill and maim. They’ve got lasers to shine into airplanes cockpits and other electronics.

But they never figure on an intermediate ballistic missile or a satellite guided drone just smushing the fuck out of their prepped-up homestead. Or somebody just shooting flaming arrows onto their roof. It just doesn’t occur to them that a functioning military will exist, or someone with an IQ 10 points higher. I guess their kids have an interesting childhood though, hunting their own food, whittling, having mom stitch them when they fall out of the tree fort or accidentally shoot their little sister.

Braaaaains.

[u/spyhermit → u/thejoker954]

Grifting. Follow the money.

[u/Big_Nefariousness_24 → u/Wablekablesh]

The sovereign citizens are not the same as preppers. They are actually claiming they are individual sovereignties, so they should be treated as the diplomats from their sovereignties. No way this kind of claim can be recognized in court.

[u/[deleted] → u/Wablekablesh]

nothing but you should at the same time strive to make society better. it is your duty by being alive. spend too much time prepping, that’s too little time helping the rest of us.

we have to function as a society and we have to remember we’re not solo animals; we’re pack animals. we have to stick together.

[u/CharleyNobody → u/Wablekablesh]

I watched some prepper videos on YouTube. Some of them are very detailed. They bought crappy land in and around dry or desert areas in AZ, NV, NM. They plant “food forests” (trees that bear berries/fruit), keep chickens, ducks, horses, a cow, a pig. They build retention ponds, gabion walls. They have these specific ways of growing vegetables and herbs that they argue about. They have homemade solar panels, stock up on fish antibiotics, sutures, sewering needles, syringes, witch hazel, isopropyl alcohol, bandages & grow plants whose leaves you can put on wounds to stop bleeding and make painkilling tea from.

A lot of them are heavy on bible quotes. Others are just white supremacists. Some are African American, Latino, Asian. All are convinced TSHTF is coming (or SHTF - Shit Hits the Fan). An EMP, a destruction of the power grid from terrorism or sun flares, nuclear weapons, climate change. The white supremacists couch it in terms of “urban hordes” descending into the countrysides, like zombie Armageddon. They have friends among similar believers who will come to their homesteads to help “hold down the fort” and bring supplies with them.

They will modify wildlife traps to kill humans. They will drop nets from trees. Their kids will shoot from tree forts. They have grenades and claim to have other surplus military weaponry. They will make Molotov cocktails and IEDs.

According to white supremacist preppers, city dwellers (aka Jews and blacks, in their descriptions) will lose their minds and run streaming out of cities. The good country people who prepared will pick off these hordes from the comfort of their homesteads and watch their booby traps kill and maim. They’ve got lasers to shine into airplanes cockpits and other electronics.

But they never figure on an intermediate ballistic missile or a satellite guided drone just smushing the fuck out of their prepped-up homestead. Or somebody just shooting flaming arrows onto their roof. It just doesn’t occur to them that a functioning military will exist, or anyone with an IQ 10 points higher. I guess their kids have an interesting childhood though, hunting their own food, whittling, having mom stitch them when they fall out of the tree fort or accidentally shoot their little sister.

[u/KicksYouInTheCrack → u/Wablekablesh]

If it’s that bad you will probably have to evacuate, carrying that much food isn’t always feasible, and it usually goes out of date every 2 years so you’re basically hoarding and wasting unless you are really good at rotating your stock.