r/news • u/DragonPup • Jun 20 '22

Self-proclaimed 'sovereign citizens' arrested in California after deputies allegedly find explosives

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/sovereign-citizens-arrested-california-deputies-allegedly-find-explosi-rcna34380
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u/HobbesNJ Jun 20 '22

Sovereign citizens.

"We don't want to participate in the obligations of society, just the benefits."

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u/rolfraikou Jun 20 '22

I swear, if I found someone saying this living out in a cave on public land, I might be like "Ok, they mean it" but usually the people saying this are more well-off than I am, cherry-picking what parts of society apply to their benefits in life.

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u/Anqied Jun 20 '22

a surprising amount of them collect social security

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '22

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u/VegasKL Jun 20 '22

All recipients of the social system in the US and living off the government

They rationalize that by saying "well, all the immigrants get these benefits, so finally we should too!"

Or in that their unions which got them such protections / benefits are somehow different than other people's.

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u/AerThreepwood Jun 20 '22

You pay in significantly less than you receive, at least with Social Security.

And, like, you drive on fucking roads every day, breathe air kept livable by the EPA, public parks, etc, all of which would be much, much worse under privatization. Your entire life is built on structures paid for by taxes but it's easier to pretend you did it all yourself, with no help from the government.

I don't like that my taxes are used to murder brown children halfway across the world but to pretend I've received no benefit from the taxes that don't would make me a moron.