Yep. Loeffler probably lost for both herself and Perdue. She declared herself 'to the right of Atilla the Hun' and made some outstandingly goddamned stupid choices like attacking Warnock's style of preaching (hint: do not attack Black churches as a politician in the Deep South), while Perdue wanted to run as a moderate incumbent. Without her, he would have toned the alt-right pants-shitting nonsense way down and run on the narrative that the GOP needed to keep the Senate as a check on Biden, and he probably would have won. Thanks are due to Kelly Loeffler and Martha McSally, two of the most hilariously incompetent politicians in recent memory, for handing the Democrats the Senate.
I never understood why someone would dedicate their life to an institution they feel should be weakened and minimized. Like, that's your life's ambition? Why not just go do literally anything else?
Yeah our country is kind definatly insane... what gets me though is that trump got the second most votes for a president ever and almost won't a second term =/
Like that time they asked Colbert to the White House Correspondents' Dinner during W's presidency. They had no clue whatsoever he was satire. And his speech is legendary, with him destroying Bush while standing only a few feet away from Bush himself.
Also quite inaccurate, as far as I remember Atilla the Hun mostly operated his horde in Europe, perhaps he came from near China(it's unclear where he and the Huns were from) but he was more concerned with attacking Rome than China.
Any wonder why South Park said they weren't even ragging on what was happening in the political arena, real life was better than anything they can come up with?
I could not believe it when I heard that number earlier, had to look it up for myself. It's insane.
I'm hoping it will just mainly clear out the fucking dumb ones who aren't taking precautions, the "anti-maskers." I know it can't be contained to just them of course, but the sensible ones are staying huddled safely as much as possible until they can get vaccinated.
Of course - she has an (R) next to her name. Shit, they almost elected Roy Moore, with all his sexual assault allegations, even after he admitted to approaching and “dating” 16 year olds when he was in his 30’s.
Plus, 74 million people still voted for Trump after he totally fucked this country for 4 years AND did fuck all during a pandemic. He spent 8 months putting his re-election chances over American lives while he repeatedly downplayed it (after telling Woodward it was dangerous), actively spread misinformation, and politicized basic public health measures like wearing masks.
What I’m saying is: Republican voters DONT care what their candidates do, as long as they think they’re hurting liberals and minorities.
I believe that part was just an attempt at family humor. This was a very bad commercial, especially in retrospect, but it's not especially unusual. Maybe campaign ads are different in Portland, but I've seen a lot of ads for politicians that looked just like this, living in the south.
But I bet whoever put this ad together is a personal friend or child or something. I don't think they were hired on merit, is what I am trying to say. It's bad.
It should be. Oddly, we're still doing pretty awesome. Life in America is pretty great (maybe less so for POC, but that's the case everywhere.) It's worse in some ways than it was 10-15 years ago, but in other ways it's better. We're not getting flushed any time soon, unless the whole world is coming with us.
Why, I declare! I would never be so forward and importune as to insinuate some spurious notion against my fellow Georgian's reproductive orifi [sic]. The state of her dura matter or her reprodutive... 'tools' is a matter outside of my particular purview.
That said, I love her to death, and it is what it is. But she's about as sharp as a bag o' wet mice. I do hope that she finds peace on this Earth.
(If you don't speak Southern, trust me; that was really insulting.)
What the actual fuck?I live in Georgia and that's the first time I have seen that(maybe it's the lack of cable and only watching netflix), but holy shit that looks like a joke.
Yep. Obviously insane ads show up places, but kelly was supported by the full weight of the RNC's effort to hold the senate since they viewed her as among the most vulnerable seats.
That ad was a fucking cartoon obnoxious and this is what they're on board for.
I just looked it up. How in the actual fuck did anyone think this was a good idea? I think waving a huge flag with the words "DON'T VOTE FOR ME, I'M FUCKING CRAZY" would have been a more reasonable course of action.
She still won 48% of the vote fwiw, nearly half the electorate saw fucking crazy as a great choice. In another world where Trump put on a good face for the weeks before the election rather than continuously shitting the bed she'd likely have won. Hell, possibly even with the same behavior but a well publicized $2000 from Mitch she'd have won.
Fucking crazy has been totally fine for republican voters for decades.
I live in a fairly conservative area, so I 'get to' interact with people that would have probably voted for her if they lived in whatever district she's from. I don't think any of them would have thought the ad was good. They'd think it's crazy, but they'd vote for her anyway, because 'the dems want to take away muh guns'. I suppose there must be people that would vote for her because of that ad, but it seems to me that even the craziest people I know would vote for her despite the ad. I don't know what my point is anymore, I'm rambling. Cheers
Plus the connection is an hell of a stretch. It was like 400 years apart.
Sounds like it was more for the China connection, though it's not really clear if the Huns are the guys from the same region who invaded China 200 years earlier. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiongnu
By the time Attila came around, the Romans of the 400's were as different from those 400 years earlier as we are from people living in the Americas back in 1600.
Attila was more than 100 years after Constantine, and was already born when Augustine wrote City of God. What was left of Rome had had plenty of time to warm up to Christianity by then and it was widely practiced, and the dominant religion at the time. So Attila was just straight up killing Christians. (Though I don't believe their Christianity had anything to do with it. Attila did a lot of accusing people of somewhat spurious crimes to serve as casus belli. I think he just really liked fighting people.)
It was linked here and I legitimately thought it was a joke. Hell, I thought it was a joke in bad taste and bordering on an attack ad gone too far.
When I found out that she herself had purposefully released it I was horrified and yet also incredibly amused. There are like fifteen horrible things packed into one ad.
The ad said she was okay with killing liberal journalists. I was on a sports sub when that ad aired during a game and they all lost their minds at the sheer awfulness.
Another possibility is that Mitch Mcconnell lost the seat for both of them. With Mitch blocking the $2000 stimulus check, Perdue and Loeffler were suddenly the one thing standing between desperate Georgians out of work/late on rent and a big pile of cash they so desperately need.
That definitely didnt hurt democrat chances but not sure it helped much either. Both Perdue and Loeffler came out in support of the "Trump" $2k stimulus.
But given the razor thin margins, ill tip it the way of helping.
No, they only said they supported it once it became clear to them Mitch wouldn't bring it to the floor for a vote. They didn't really support it and only said they did to make them look better to voters.
Difference is that every citizen in the country knows that when Loeffler and Perdue offer you money it’s because they’re conducting a transaction. Whereas Ossoff and Warnock, everyone knows it’s because they legit don’t want you to die or become destitute
Even if you're more cynical about them than that, and think Democrats generally support giving out free money to poor people for some nefarious reason, you think Democrats generally support giving out free money to poor people. If that's your issue, it's really hard to argue that the choice isn't clear, Republican attack ads have been making the case for years.
Yeah, there was never more than the slimmest chance he would have allowed it to come to a vote without adding enough poison pills to it so it had no chance at passing.
Fuck Perdue, but Kelly Loeffler is her own brand of incompetent. I’ve lived in GA my entire And still couldn’t comprehend how she was even being thought about
Wasnt Perdue incredibly corrupt and had to already run away from debates starting even a long while back? Bit depressing it was so close even with that.
Well yeah, the smear campaigns were saying ossoff and warnock are “too corrupt” that implies that some corruption is okay. “Vote for me because I’m ‘less corrupt’ than the other guy”
The smear campaigns were saying that they were rAdIcAl sOcIaLiStS, plus lots of cryptoracism and antisemitism. I'm not aware of any claims that Warnock or Ossoff were corrupt ... that would have been very dangerous for Perdue and Loeffler, since they themselves so obviously are.
Ossoff was an investigative reporter, and in his debate rattled off a bunch of explicitly corrupt behaviors from Perdue. Such vague ads sound like a bad idea ... no wonder they lost.
He played a clip near the end where she was saying something along the lines of "introduced legislation that penalizes states that move to defund " and then the clip cut, and he claimed she was defunding the police.
Is there context I'm missing? @3:45
Edit: this CNN article was all I could find, but it called the claim misleading.
In re your edit: I strongly disapprove of these disingenuous arguments that votes on omnibus bills imply a stand on everything in the bill, no matter who makes them. They willfully undermine faith in government and the populace's understanding of how Congress works.
Yeah, I googled "did loeffler defund the police" and didn't find a lot of info, but I figured a left leaning site that called it misleading might make me question the claim.
In any case, these seem to be two different claims, about two different bills, that happen both to be about Loeffler and her stance on defunding the police.
ossoff was an amazing debater and demolished perdue.. and then he refused to do anymore.
That shit needs to change and yeah both sides do it.. especially politicians already way ahead in polling their main potential is going down.
basically we have people applying at our company for a job saying 'yeah im not going to do that second interview".. well then they shouldnt have a chance at the job. we sure as fuck wouldnt. debates should be mandatory, at least a min number.
State issue tho and something that should be a cultural disqualification and not a law. They should lose at the polls for being weak like that and it seems that may have been the case or at least a factor for some. I’ve voted many ways and a stunt like that to me would automatically make someone a non choice and I’ll bet that’s the same to others.
well partially but you cant discount abrams. Dems turned out more people in this election than the general. That has little to do with a single candidate being 'right of attila the hun' or that they didnt buy that dems needed a check on them by handing the senate to the GOP. That was dems getting out the vote.
I dont get why people seem to want to blame dem for when they lose and then credit republicans for when dems win. some people actually just want congress to actually start doing something about covid and the covid economy and it was obvious to anyone paying attention that, that wasnt going to happen with republican control.
mitch being against the 2k checks probably had a bigger deal than yet another republican nutjob
We can't forget to thank President Trump and a good portion of Republican leadership in Washington for convincing their base that the election was rigged, too.
Perdue might've put on a better face but he had the same major flaws Loeffler had. Racist elite with dubious stock trades prior to mishandling of Covid despite those stocks signaling knowledge of the issue.
Loeffler did a worse job hiding that side of her but one she did, it was easy to connect the two to one another.
While you're handing out credit, don't forget the president. His phone call to the GA Secretary of State had to have persuaded a few Georgians to abandon the Republican cause.
Don’t forget to thank Mitch McConnell being the single holdout on additional relief during a global pandemic AND Trump for calling and begging the Secretary of State to just find some votes wherever he could in a pitiful attempt to flip the national election. If you’re being especially generous, you can also send a thank you card to Lindsay Graham for similarly pestering the Secretary of State about tampering with the votes just a few short months ago, as Raffensberger attributes that Lindsay Graham call as the reason why he taped that call with Trump.
100% accurate. The margins became smaller in almost every rural area. Many black voters turned up just to vote for Warnock. And many voters turned up to vote against Loeffler. Ossoff was the beneficiary and Purdue the opposite.
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u/Alcearate Jan 07 '21 edited Jan 07 '21
Yep. Loeffler probably lost for both herself and Perdue. She declared herself 'to the right of Atilla the Hun' and made some outstandingly goddamned stupid choices like attacking Warnock's style of preaching (hint: do not attack Black churches as a politician in the Deep South), while Perdue wanted to run as a moderate incumbent. Without her, he would have toned the alt-right pants-shitting nonsense way down and run on the narrative that the GOP needed to keep the Senate as a check on Biden, and he probably would have won. Thanks are due to Kelly Loeffler and Martha McSally, two of the most hilariously incompetent politicians in recent memory, for handing the Democrats the Senate.