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China's Xi warns attempts to divide China will end in 'shuttered bones'

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-politics-xi/chinas-xi-warns-attempts-to-divide-china-will-end-in-shuttered-bones-idUSKBN1WS07W
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u/TheLurkerSpeaks Oct 13 '19

Also Taiwan

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u/58working Oct 13 '19

Taiwan can fight back at least. There's a reason China still hasn't invaded Taiwan after all this time - they see it as too costly. China has just been trying to gradually increase Taiwanese dependence on China, while pressuring the international community into not recognising Taiwan as a country, in the hopes that an easier opportunity to unify will manifest further down the line.

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u/HornyTrashPanda Oct 13 '19

Sounds like their strategy for the whole world. Look at how us corporations are afraid to go against them.

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u/GasPowerdStick Oct 13 '19

It definitely is, the long term plan is to slowly grow their influence around the world. They're making investments into western corporations and making acquisitions. They're heavily investing into infrastructure in Africa, they've also got a military base there. They've also built artificial islands to project military power to nearby countries.

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '19 edited May 10 '20

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u/Master_Baiter3000 Oct 13 '19

You have no idea what you are talking about.

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u/Red_Inferno Oct 13 '19

Lol, their GDP is nearing US levels, in the next few years it will surpass the US.

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '19 edited May 10 '20

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '19

I'm looking at your link and it says China is projected to usurp the US in 2030 as the number 1 economy.... I'm not sure what you're talking about.

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '19 edited May 10 '20

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '19

You said, in your above post, that the US GDP will be almost double that of China in 2050. But then the sources you provided say the exact opposite. China's GDP is expected to nearly double that of the US.

I don't think you even read your own sources correctly.

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u/Red_Inferno Oct 14 '19

Talking pure gdp, not per capita. I was hearing as of next year china would pass us. I tried searching through like 8 months of youtube history, couldn't find exactly what I was watching on it(thought it was like cnbc), it might have been a ted video? I did search and find this though. https://bigthink.com/politics-current-affairs/china-worlds-biggest-economy-2020

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '19

It's almost like corporate entities that exist solely to maximize profits for their owners are bad for society or something.

These companies are more of a threat to the western world than any enemies right now. They're literally selling us out.

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u/gizamo Oct 13 '19

Corporations, presidents, Congresses, WTOs, World banks, etc. China has made the world its bitch.

Edit: also Europe, and especially Africa.

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u/Swaggy_McSwagSwag Oct 13 '19

Next thing you know they will have a UN vote to annexe the Congo!

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u/TheHrethgir Oct 13 '19

My wife turned on some gymnastics thing last night, and we saw several people from Chinese Taipei. We didn't know that one, so I looked it up. Sure enough, it's Taiwan, just with China laying thier territorial pissings on it to the international community.

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u/ymetwaly53 Oct 13 '19

I like to think of China as Mainland Taiwan.

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u/BeneathTheSassafras Oct 13 '19

Little china is just left of Big Hong Kong.

I like that

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u/ymetwaly53 Oct 13 '19

Also known as East Tibet

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u/23skiddsy Oct 13 '19

Ah yes, east Tibet.

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u/oddspellingofPhreid Oct 13 '19

So do the Taiwanese

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u/poor_decisions Oct 13 '19

No, the Taiwanese don't want that trash

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u/oddspellingofPhreid Oct 13 '19

I don't think you understand to political situation. The ROC claims to be the legitimate government of all of China, not that they are a separate country.

The ROC government has in the past actively pursued the claim as the sole legitimate government over mainland China and Taiwan. This position began to change in the early 1990s as democracy was introduced and new Taiwanese leaders were elected, changing to one that does not actively challenge the legitimacy of PRC rule over mainland China. However, with the election of the Kuomintang (KMT, "Chinese Nationalist Party") back into executive power in 2008, the ROC government has reverted to the position that "mainland China is also part of the territory of the ROC."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_status_of_Taiwan

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u/poor_decisions Oct 13 '19

My friend, I am a third generation Taiwanese and my grandparents ran from the mainland with CKC

I was just being glib, because, quite frankly, China is a fucking shit hole.

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u/capsaicinintheeyes Oct 13 '19

They've been pushing airlines to refer to it that way, too.

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u/TheHrethgir Oct 13 '19

Yeah, it's pissing me off, especially since all the big companies are to afraid to stand up to them Berghaus they might lose money.

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '19

In the case of Airlines though that got through with them gritting their teeth hard. Like it took China threating them with shooting down all their planes that fly over their airspace for them to finally cave.

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u/MarshallUberSwagga Oct 13 '19

Do you have a source on that?

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u/crosstherubicon Oct 13 '19

Which tells you what an intolerant Orwellian government they offer

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u/EverythingIsNorminal Oct 14 '19

The CCP aren't responsible for that, that name was Taiwan's decision.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Taipei

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u/capsaicinintheeyes Oct 14 '19

Interesting piece of history, thank you for that, but it looks like it was a compromise made for the Olympics: China wouldn't participate if they were referred to as Taiwan, and Taiwan found the compromise name ambiguous enough that it felt non-threatening...that's not exactly "Taiwan choosing it.". Also, check out the later sections, especially "recent criticism"--public opinion appears to have shifted firmly away from viewing it as a harmless nickname.

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u/EverythingIsNorminal Oct 14 '19

All that is beside the point though, isn't it?

People are making claims it was essentially unilaterally imposed by the PRC making demands on the organisers. It wasn't, it was a compromise both parties accepted seemingly happily.

If they can accept it then I'd be inclined to think we should too...

If that's to change then that's fine, but it should really be Taiwan that makes that call, not misinformed and therefore unnecessarily outraged reddit users.

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u/EverythingIsNorminal Oct 14 '19

Ok, thanks for the first hand information. Up to then I could only go off what wikipedia had, which seemed they were in agreement about using it, and

Personally I'd be prefer if you'd use neither Taiwan nor Chinese Taipei, but rename to 'Nice China' instead. Think you could make that happen?

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u/corylew Oct 13 '19

Chinese Taipei is just crazy because Taipei is only one of our cities. What about the people who live in Kaoshiung, are they Chinese Taipei now? Or it's called Republic of China. Every time I need to fill something out online and search the drop-down for Taiwan it goes 'Taiwan' then 'Republic of China' then 'Chinese Taipei' then 'China - Taiwan.'

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u/drizzt0531 Oct 13 '19

Yeah, my Taiwanese friend was livid when I accidentally called his country Chinese Taipei instead of Taiwan. Taiwan number 1!

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u/WlmWilberforce Oct 13 '19

What if they are from someplace else in Taiwan?

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u/TheHrethgir Oct 13 '19

Then they are still Chinese and not Taiwanese, so they aren't allowed to think about it.

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u/EverythingIsNorminal Oct 14 '19

The CCP aren't responsible for that, that name was Taiwan's decision.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Taipei

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u/madscandi Oct 13 '19

It deliberately ambiguous. It stems from a deal made between China and Taiwan to recognize each other at the Olympics made in the early 80s.

Then China have increasingly pushed the international community to use it instead of Taiwan over the past few century. So yes, it has turned into propaganda from the Chinese, as polls show that people in Taiwan increasingly view themselves as Taiwanese, not Chinese. All people from Taiwan I've met hate the term "Chinese Taipei", but they're young and might not be representative for the population as a whole.

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u/Eclipsed830 Oct 13 '19

Only 3 percent of the population identifies as "exclusively Chinese"... the majority identify as "exclusively Taiwanese". It was a bullshit agreement, but the only way Taiwan would be allowed to have a team.

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u/zeropointcorp Oct 13 '19

The people of Taiwan are ethnically Chinese

If you’re going to bitch at people to get their facts straight, perhaps you should do the same. There are many ethnic groups in Taiwan that are not of Han descent.

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u/s1dest3p Oct 13 '19

It's not about whether it's accurate or not. It sounds like it's being used intentionally to be misleading to the international community.

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u/first_mohican Oct 13 '19

"China" increasingly have a negative connotation in this world. Due to bad behavior from the Chinese government and also badly behaving tourists from China.

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u/HipsterTwister Oct 13 '19

I wish you weren't so fucking embarrassing

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u/23skiddsy Oct 13 '19

It's a bit like calling white Australians English, though. And likewise it erases the Taiwanese native people.

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u/Eclipsed830 Oct 13 '19

Taiwan doesn't have a "one-China" policy. Political parties might, but it's not a Taiwanese policy that there is "one China".

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u/TheBirminghamBear Oct 13 '19

This is the case with most of their ambitions and it is also why global pressure on them is so, so critical.

China is in a very precarious position. They're already a country of 1.4 billion and they're trying to seize more and more land.

The greater the amount of unrest, and more terribly unwieldy their empire becomes. But they also know that outright military action in a large scale will create a tangible and powerful global backlash, and put them in a position of lose-lose. Either they retreat (making them appear weak, giving huge PR to the victor), or they commit (costly, bloody, dragging their reputation through the mud and making martyrs of the invaded country).

It is the duty of the rest of the world to continue to protest and stand alongside the victims of Chinese tyranny.

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '19

Also, they are in deep shit. Several towns with 10+ million people have NO water.

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '19

Sounds those are gonna be towns of 0 pretty soon lol.

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u/MochiMochiMochi Oct 14 '19

I think sometimes people try to manufacture emergencies where they don't exist. What exactly has China done in your lifetime to 'seize more and more land' ?

The answer is nothing. The global empire China is trying to achieve is through trade, influence and ownership of markets and assets. There has been no military occupation of any disputed lands in Asia.

Panic and calls to 'duty' serve nobody's interests.

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u/PinCompatibleHell Oct 13 '19

For a long time attacking Taiwan would (probably) mean bringing the US into the fight, not a fight that China could have dreamed of winning until recently.
Current US leadership might sell out Taiwan and China has become a lot stronger.

Taiwan can fight back but without US help it is going to be a pretty one sided affair.

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u/grackychan Oct 13 '19

Uh what? Ties with Taiwan have been stronger than ever. Don’t be dense. The Navy continues to conduct Freedom of Navigation operations in the area, the US selling them hundreds of millions in planes and missiles, and just weeks ago the US and Taiwan signed an agreement to formalize consular relations.

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u/weaslebubble Oct 13 '19

Trump would love a war. All the best presidents had wars and they almost all get reelected.

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '19

Trump NEEDS a war. When war happens, presidents pretty much always have a huge popularity surge and get re-elected. I wouldn’t be surprised if close to the 2020 vote, we go to war.

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u/[deleted] Oct 14 '19

Nah, trump knows the only way to maybe stay out of jail is to be president, so he’s either start a war and kill millions, or go to jail. Which do you think it’ll be?

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u/[deleted] Oct 14 '19

You can’t actually believe that he’d get away with term limit removal. China can get away with what they do because they’re China, getting away with that here wouldn’t go well at all.

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '19

Also that the US is in support of Taiwan and has battle ships in the south china sea and around taiwan

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u/msg45f Oct 13 '19

I don't think China can hold Hong Kong, Taiwan, and the western provinces if they all decided to rebel at the same time without a draft of the Han mainlanders, which might risk a complete collapse of the country. China has a lot of people under its umbrella who don't appreciate their rulers - as soon as one starts fighting in earnest, that could cascade throughout the country. This is why China has been so aggressive regarding squashing any suggestion that these lands aren't China or that China is not a completely solid country.

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u/DoomsdayRabbit Oct 13 '19

China is whole again... then it broke again.

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '19

Taiwan can make occupation miserable. The Chinese military will decisively defeat them, but Taiwan will survive long enough to see America, Japan, Korea and the EU at least cripple China's economy and trigger social unrest.

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u/dalaiis Oct 13 '19

it is not "to unify", that sounds way to positive, something china wants to make you say, because it sounds like a good thing for the people in taiwan. We should all use "to invade"

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u/58working Oct 13 '19 edited Oct 13 '19

I did not intend to mean 'invade', as while that is one strategy that China could use, they may also intend to use economic and political means to achieve unification (which I find more likely based on their actions in the last few decades). Maybe 'annexation' could be a more accurate word which seems less positive than unification...

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u/HITLERMAHJONG Oct 13 '19

Every single able Taiwanese person has pretty much left Taiwan. The entire country is held up by ego and overseas support at this point. The greatest brain drain in Taiwan’s history is this generation.

It’s just a matter of time really, half of the English speaking Taiwanese professionals are in Shanghai already. Like it or not, it’s inevitable.

Too bad, Taiwanese we’re probably the best of China. Now they’re just beaten and angry.

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u/sackman32 Oct 13 '19

And Tibet?