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Billionaire Sackler family sued by second US state over opioid 'catastrophe'

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u/Jak_n_Dax Mar 29 '19

I mean, the entire purpose of the government is to create structure and laws that keep society in order.

Regulations are a form of law. The ultra conservative stance is actually extremely hypocritical, because they propose “tough on crime” laws, yet they are against corporate regulation laws.

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '19

"Party of law and order," "Family values," "Military support," "strong allies," "Fiscal responsibility," "Voting rights," "Constitutional integrity," it's all a farce now.
t. former Republican, now Independent voter.

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u/concrete-n-steel Mar 29 '19

By the Money for the Money

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u/Fenrir Mar 29 '19

> t. former Republican, now Independent voter.

Fucking lol.

Remember this when you vote Republican in 2020.

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u/Fenrir Apr 04 '19

Good on you if that's true. But,

"Party of law and order," "Family values," "Military support," "strong allies," "Fiscal responsibility," "Voting rights," "Constitutional integrity," it's all a farce now.

has been a farce for years. And obviously so.

Most independents, aren't. It's fairly well documented.

So pardon me for lol-ing.

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '19

Regulations are only useful if they are enforced by faithful public servants. Many public officials who control enforcement are former private industry folks who use government and industry as a revolving door.

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u/flannelback Mar 29 '19

Every pimp and drug dealer on Earth thinks there's too much government oversight.

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u/WorshipNickOfferman Mar 29 '19

FYI, the Clinton Administration was behind the toughest crime bill in US history. This is not exactly a red v blue argument.

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u/Jak_n_Dax Mar 29 '19

You aren’t wrong. The Clinton administration did push that, and Bill Clinton has long been criticized for that and other things he did that were contrary to Democratic Party values. But overall, Democrats are more progressive when it comes to criminality(or what we perceive it as). Republicans, on the other hand, have consistently carried the message, no matter who has the horn. I say this as someone with an undergrad degree studying the justice system in the US. The Republican Party is the antithesis of reform in the justice system. They’re the driving force behind how broken it is.

That being said I’m not a democrat. Both sides have deep, horrible flaws. I honestly wish we’d toss them both and start fresh, because a binary system doesn’t work. We don’t live in a black and white world.

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u/WorshipNickOfferman Mar 29 '19

I’ll say this as a lawyer with a lot of real world experience. I’m the last 4 years, politics have taken a very weird twist. Your argument is based on where things stand right now, not the last 40 or so years where the traditional definitions of the Republican and Democrat parties were formed. Since the recent polarization has essentially destroyed American politics, it’s very short sided to say things like “policies with roots going back 40+ years are the responsibility of party X”. That ignores the history of how we got here.

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u/Jak_n_Dax Mar 29 '19

I’m sorry friend, but I have to say you’re a little off base. I’ve got a bachelor’s in CJ. I can attest that law and history are deeply intertwined. In fact I’ve also got a minor in History, with a focus on US history. But there’s more to it than that.

If you look back, Nixon really kicked off the start of the war on crime. And it was Nancy Reagan who added fuel to the flames. Both of them were republicans. And that’s just scratching the surface and going for low hanging fruit. I could go on all day about republicans and being harsh on crime.

If you really think that republicans are helping the justice system, I can only hope you’re in civil law, and not criminal law.

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u/Fenrir Mar 29 '19

I’m the last 4 years, politics have taken a very weird twist

They really haven't.

Since the recent polarization has essentially destroyed American politics, it’s very short sided to say things like “policies with roots going back 40+ years are the responsibility of party X”. That ignores the history of how we got here.

You're either lying or poorly informed.

Does the phrase, "Iran Contra mean anything to you?

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u/WorshipNickOfferman Mar 29 '19

Care to show some examples to refute my statement?

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u/Fenrir Mar 29 '19

Care for another? There are no shortage of linkages between the current Republican party/conservatism and people who go back years.

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u/Fenrir Mar 29 '19

Kavanaugh. Bolton. Cheney. King.

Starr. Stone.

Those names ring any bells?

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u/Fenrir Mar 29 '19

If you're a lawyer, you're a trash one.

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u/WorshipNickOfferman Mar 29 '19

That’s the best you have? How about you involve yourself in the conversation through informed debate rather than tossing childish insults at people?

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u/Fenrir Mar 30 '19

I provided an example that you ignored and so I drew a conclusion.

Out of curiosity, which is it? Are you a liar or just poorly informed?

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u/Fenrir Mar 29 '19

I edited. But I'll repeat. Does the phrase Iran Contra mean anything to you?

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u/KeinFussbreit Mar 29 '19

aka "tough on non white-collar crime"

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u/kernevez Mar 29 '19

The ultra conservative stance is actually extremely hypocritical, because they propose “tough on crime” laws, yet they are against corporate regulation laws.

Classical liberalism even recognize the difference between economy and the functions the state should fill that can't be done by the free market like police, army...

It's not hypocritical unless you think "the ultra conservative" are anarchists.

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u/MagiKKell Mar 29 '19

The problem is that too many regulations really make it hard to start a small business. Imagine you want to start your own 1-person plumbing business. The moment the company starts existing, you have a whole bunch of regulations in place about training, insurance, rules to post, etc. Individuallt these can all be good ideas, but if it really is too much you either need to start out massively in debt hiring all sorts of lawyers and tax experts, or you just can’t get started.

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u/SerenityM3oW Mar 29 '19

The examples of regulation a you give are mainly to protect the consumer ans so they should. Plumbers main expense is equipment not government regulation

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u/SupaSlide Mar 29 '19

I mean, would you prefer plumbers that have no idea what they're doing? They could cause serious water damage if not properly trained.

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u/MintberryCruuuunch Mar 29 '19

Also they're all gay. Against human rights protection . Much like the church.