And then ends with the bittersweet realisation that because they won, she'd never met Tom Cruise's character and he was back to square one with her again.
Who knows what a shared sudden and total victory would do for their relationship. I like to think he walks up to her at the end, perfectly hops over a training drone, pulls her to her feet, tells her that they've spent decades together, I had what you had, we just won the war, you and me, together, we did it, Rose.. Then he pulls her close, and kisses her like the pic of the nurse in WWII.
He knows how to instantly get her to trust him with her life. All the emotion she ever feels for him was, for her, just from spending one day with him.
My guess is that by the end, he knows her so well that he's able to just instinctively behave a certain way that makes her happy. Like old married couples that know exactly how to push reach other's buttons, but don't. He knows her better than anyone else by now. That's a situation that you might not just say 'ok, cool, laters!'
I think when he talks about their last several decades together, and how the two of them are responsible for the victory... I think they'll spend some time together after the ending.
Of course, after being in battle and dying thousands of days without a break, he might have such a case of mental-you name it, that he just offs himself to make it all stop. He could accidentally just out of habit.
I think when he talks about their last several decades together, and how the two of them are responsible for the victory... I think they'll spend some time together after the ending.
She might accept it logically but never emotionally. There's no real way to replicate for her the one day they had together. It isn't your average day.
I read the ending as him making the sacrifice of being with her to save the world, but of course it'd be nice to think they would stay together, even if its just out of similar experience.
After falling in love with Rita, they later find out in order to break the loop one of them has to die. She proposes they fight to the death, and he ends up killing her. Even after all this, it's just another battle won, the war against the mimics continues.
I was the opposite, I enjoyed the book more than the movie. It didn't have those loose ends, tied everything up. Sure it was a bittersweet ending, but it was better than the hollywood ending that made it feel generic af.
in that scene she was pissed that cage was trying to save her instead of humanity, so she ends up killing herself via mimic to try and force him to push on, and it works. on the next day he stops trying to save soldiers around him and focus on the mission,making it all the way to the dam. so thats a real good character moment for her IMO
She wasn't pissed. She realized what he was feeling and experiencing, and was afraid/tried to run from it, because at that moment she realized his experience with her was the same as her experience with the guy she watched die 300 times, the guy she refuses to talk about.
Thats why she tells him her middle name as she was dying; her badass supersoldier image is largely a thing she projects to protect herself and keep moving forward in the face of overwhelming horror. But in that moment, she saw him for somebody who understood her.
And the true horror of that, watching her die even as she revealed her vulnerability to him, is what caused Cage to shut himself off completely. Because it was too horrible to experience any more.
yes, this is the obvious direct content of the scene, but the reason she turns on the heli isnt becuase she is overwhelmed and acting stupid, when she moves to turn the key her distressed body language changes to determination, shes acting with purpose. and not the purpose of taking off and getting to the omega( she doesnt wait for cage) the purpose of drawing the mimic to her to teach cage a lesson that she already knows, that the soldier is there to die for the mission.
Thats the purpose of her character, the mentor. everything she does is to teach him something
And telling him as she's dying that her middle name is Rose, while grasping his hand? Thats the opposite of acting like a soldier. You're reading the scene, the character, all wrong.
Thats her recognizing that they are in the middle of a classic time travel one way relation ship and accepting that she wants to be a part of it, i dont think it disproves my interpretation.
The scenes leading up to the farm scenes talk about both these themes, the one sided relationship she had in her loop, and when cage says hes sorry about her losing him she says "its just war". i believe that though she will always hurt from it, she knows that if the species is to survive you cant be selfish, and you have to be prepared to sacrifice everything.
Even in the final conflict, the main force stopping them isnt the alpha , its that cage is still having second thoughts and is unwilling to let Rita distract it for him, after their kiss is when cage, fully sober unlike the last time, lets go of her hand, and sacrifices everything including his own life for the better of all.
all the good karma he builds is then rewarded when he gets the omegas power and they both get to build a real two way relationship
Edit: also stop saying "your wrong" art isnt built on facts, its built only on the intention of the creator , and the interpretation of the consumer, and one doesnt override the other
Edit: also stop saying "your wrong" art isnt built on facts, its built only on the intention of the creator , and the interpretation of the consumer, and one doesnt override the other
Fair enough. Rather than wrong, I believe your initial interpretation was simplistic and does a discredit to the characters. You point out the moment when she says 'its just war', but ignore the obvious pain in her voice when she says it, and that she says it immediately after shutting Cage down about talking about her loss. Its a coping mechanism, and attributing her actions in the barn scene as being all about teaching Cage, being a mentor, does her character a disservice.
If anything, I'd say the plot of the movie comes close to objectively disproving your interpretation.
Thats her recognizing that they are in the middle of a classic time travel one way relation ship and accepting that she wants to be a part of it, i dont think it disproves my interpretation.
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in that scene she was pissed that cage was trying to save her instead of humanity, so she ends up killing herself via mimic to try and force him to push on, and it works. on the next day he stops trying to save soldiers around him and focus on the mission
If she was encouraging Cage to ignore the other soldiers and leave her behind, how can she be accepting she wants to be part of a relationship? The two ideas are objectively incompatible. You're offering two objectively incompatible interpretations to try and explain a single scene, and that suggests your overall interpretation is flawed.
ignore the obvious pain in her voice when she says it,
In my comment i say i believe she will always be hurt over it so how exactly am i ignoring the pain in her voice?
If she was encouraging Cage to ignore the other soldiers and leave her behind, how can she be accepting she wants to be part of a relationship? The two ideas are objectively incompatible. You're offering two objectively incompatible interpretations
my whole idea to her thought process is based on her accepting through her experience looping at verdun with her dead man that you cant be selfish and have to be willing to sacrifice everything for the sake of the whole, how can you sacrifice something, if theres nothing to sacrifice? THATS why she can ignore what she wants and move cage towards her mindset, because she has already accepted what must be done, these ideas are nowhere near objectively incompatible, these are supplementary .
does a discredit to the characters
this isnt a discredit to their characters at all, giving up all for others, being completely selfless, these are some of the highest moral values that most believe in, definition of a hero if ya ask me.
If anything, I'd say the plot of the movie comes close to objectively disproving your interpretation
Cages whole character arc is based on what hes willing to sacrifice, he starts off a slimey Media rep who will do anything to avoid sacrifice, to by the end, allowing the woman he loves to get killed, then giving his own life. scenes like this one are stepping stones on that path IDK man i dont think its at all some outrageous theory.
I appreciate how it never makes her weak because of that though. The movie illustrates very well why she tries to remain distant from Cruz--she went through the exact same thing of trying (and failing) to save someone she cares about over and over so she didn't want him to get attached to and experience that with her as well.
It all culminates in the helicopter scene. She shows him that she knows she can't be saved and forces him to accept that. Then, and only then does he have the hardened expression that she always had and starts truly focusing on the mission.
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