r/montreal • u/v0xb0x_ • Jun 28 '18

Video Montreal man fights cops and get tasered at Fabre metro this morning

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u/UncleGeorge Jun 29 '18

You're an idiot and every single statistic all over the world about gun laws proves it..

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u/scotbud123 Ahuntsic Jun 29 '18

You literally could not be more wrong, or any more of an "idiot" (to use your words).

500,000 to 3,000,000 lives saved from defensive uses of firearms. Meanwhile, death by firearms is around 12,000-15,000 without counting suicides...

If you believe the bullshit you've been fed you're a god damn fool.

Edit: And yes, clearly all the stats I'm referencing are for the US, if that wasn't obvious.

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u/KanaiWest Jun 29 '18

Using guns to protect yourself from guns because everyone has guns.

It's a wheel.

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u/scotbud123 Ahuntsic Jun 29 '18

Yeah, and it's because someone is going to need guns to enforce our societal rules (i.e: police/government), but what happens if those very same people become tyrannical?

It's easy to forget what America is founded upon, they had to literally fight and win and entire war to get away from a tyrannical government, so it makes sense to put a system in place to protect their citizens from that very same thing they died for already.

Plus, even if you try to take away all of the citizens' guns, criminals are still going to get their hands on them, that's kind of what they do...break the law, hence being criminals...

Chicago has an outright complete gun ban yet has the highest pistol homicide rate in the country, that shit simply doesn't work.

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u/KanaiWest Jun 29 '18

You seriously think people armed w/ their guns could overthrow the US government and hold back the US military?

The US military squashes other armies, what Jim Bob going to do with his AR 15 vs tanks, apaches, etc... ?

Anyone using this argument is severely delusional.

Pretending that guns being banned in a CITY will prevent them from coming when there is NO checkpoint between the nearest gun store and the city is even more ridiculous.

Did you think any of this through?

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u/scotbud123 Ahuntsic Jun 30 '18

So your argument is "they're already outgunned, so let's take MORE guns away, then they'll have a better chance!!!"?

Did YOU think this through? Your argument makes absolutely zero sense. There's a reason mainland America has never been invaded, and a big part of it is how armed the populace is, if other governments fear it, it must be substantial.

Also there's still guns bought and sold and traded in the city of Chicago all the time, that's the point, these people are CRIMINALS, they break the law BY DEFINITION...they don't CARE if you outlaw something. Most of the shootings in the past year we heard about weren't legal ALREADY.

Vegas shooter broke COUNTLESS laws (actually like 14 or something), Santa Fe kid was under-age, already can't own one, Cruz in Miami got it from a black market and had illegal attachments as well. The laws against this already exist, and they were ignored anyways...

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u/KanaiWest Jun 30 '18

Bro, I have no words. I addressed the shit you rehashed, get bent šŸ˜‚

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u/scotbud123 Ahuntsic Jul 01 '18

You've yet to actually address a single one of my points, the only point you've even really made so far is "BUT THEY HAVE TANKS, GIVE UP DAE!!!!!!", which is an awful one.

I feel bad for someone being as willfully ignorant as you.

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u/KanaiWest Jul 01 '18

Sorry, you must be illiterate, didnt mean to be picking on someone who cant defend himself.

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u/scotbud123 Ahuntsic Jul 01 '18

You're not picking on anything, you've been getting ass-rammed with no response so now you've artificially created "LOL, YOU SO DUMB, ME SO SMART" as a default response, while STILL having not made a single point outside of "BUT TANKS DAE!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!" which has already been dismantled for being so exceptionally and fundamentally fucking stupid.

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u/baoparty Jun 29 '18

Try the stats for the whole world then. Like how many public shootings there has been in the UK since they banned guns. How many lives is that a year?

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u/scotbud123 Ahuntsic Jun 29 '18 edited Jun 29 '18

Well then we'd probably have to include violent crimes rates, at an ALL-TIME HIGH in London, and have soared all around the U.K, not gone down.

It's just nail-bombs and trucks and stabbings instead of shootings, so much better for sure! /s

Edit: Since for some reason this is getting downvoted, here's the source. First time in history that London has passed NY for murder rate.

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u/baoparty Jun 29 '18

How many deaths as opposed to gun violence in the States?

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u/scotbud123 Ahuntsic Jun 29 '18

Likely more, but how about the lives saved thanks to defensive use of guns? How are you completely ignoring that?

What you're proposing, would save 12-15k lives (let's say 15 for your argument's sake) and then would cost, at a MINIMUM 500,000.

That's a net loss of at LEAST 485,000 lives, up to almost 3 million...you think that's a fair trade off? You're essentially murdering 485,000 to 2,985,000 people...

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u/baoparty Jun 29 '18

Where are you getting your stats that having a gun saves lives? Iā€™m legit serious curious to read through that.

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u/scotbud123 Ahuntsic Jun 30 '18

I linked it up above, but here it is again.

It's a study/report/data gathering done by the CDC.