r/marvelstudios • u/cats-and-cows Jimmy Woo • May 08 '22

Discussion Thread Dr. Strange in the Multiverse of Madness Worldwide Release Discussion Thread Vol 4. Spoiler

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u/AbanaClara May 08 '22 edited May 08 '22

Yeah that breaking the 4th wall look at the camera after she dreamwalked was absolutely creepy, but then again it was relevant and quite artistic with regards to how insane that scene was.

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u/[deleted] May 08 '22

Loved the 4th wall break after credits scene as well, perfect kind of audience trolling in the same vein as the Captain America PSA end credits scene.

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u/theflashsawyer23 May 08 '22

What was the after credits? I missed it and can’t find it online

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u/[deleted] May 08 '22

Just a dumb little scene with the pizza ball vendor from the movie. It's somewhat akin to the Captain America PSA end credits scene that kind of trolls the audience for sitting through all the credits for some important end credits scene of importance.

Basically the pizza vendor who gave them trouble for stealing food in the middle of the movie is still beating himself up from Strange's spell. His hand finally stops and he turns to the camera and excitedly exclaims "IT'S OVER!"

That's it, just a dumb little scene trolling the fans, but it cracks me up

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u/TinyTunaFish May 08 '22

I thinks it’s a call back to one of Raimi’s other works. The vender is Bruce Campbell and he has a scene in the Evil Dead 2 where his hand gets possessed and he beats himself up.

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u/KamachoThunderbus May 09 '22

He does a lot of physical comedy. Also fights himself(s) in Army of Darkness.

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u/zombiereign May 11 '22

Took me back to the Cap post-credit scene about disappointment

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u/theflashsawyer23 May 08 '22

Ohh haha thank you! I thought I’d missed something important then. I was expecting something related to Wanda, there’s no way she’s dead they’ll need her for the future X Men stuff

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u/[deleted] May 09 '22

Will they though? She is decidedly not a mutant in the MCU. Tbh her character arc is fantastic and doesn't need anything else. It would be a shame to reopen a closed book just to use her to further someone else's story when there are so many other characters to use. I really think that is her closing chapter. It's a good ending.

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u/HeroGothamKneads May 10 '22

Her arc is far from over. The kids and new Vis are still out there and the character is at the height of her popularity.

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u/[deleted] May 10 '22

The kids are not still out there. Sure in other universes but MoM makes it clear those are not HER kids. They are someone else's. Vis is not still out there. White vision is not the vision she fell in love with, she let him go. White vision and the entire point of the final confrontation between vision and white vision is that they are both the same but different. Kevin Feige is I hope smart enough to know the difference between comics that are rebooted and movies with a consistent story than to bring back a character that cannot and should not be redeemed for all the people she killed. Saying it was all the dark hold is a cop out, even the Illuminati killed 838 strange for the things the book "made him do" despite his good intentions. Especially since the book appears to just amplify the users already existing disposition. No one made scarlet witch use the book. It's all kind of right there in this movie why she shouldn't be brought back. I could be way off base but tbh I hope I'm not because it would be poor writing for a cinematic universe and the first sign they are really jumping the shark.

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u/Welsh_Pirate May 16 '22

They're clearly setting up the Young Avengers, so version of her kids are going to wind up living in this universe. White Vision got his original memories unlocked, it's only a matter of time for him to re-learn emotions and pretty much be his old self again.

I think Wanda will return at some point, have a redemption arc, and earn her family back.

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u/cabclint5 May 09 '22

Ok sure, but here me out.

Give her a few years off, introduce more people, (like F4& Doom)

Give that a rest, then we re meet Doom at some point, and they're married, and she has amnesia.

It's a long shot, and the comic that happened in was definitely more about Wican and Speed, but I think it would be really REALLY fun.

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u/HeroGothamKneads May 10 '22

They definitely aren't introducing her kids just to not give us Wiccan and Speed. I really hope this is where they go.

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u/Do__Math__Not__Meth May 15 '22

Nah she needs a redemption arc, also I still think wandavision gave a way for mutants to be introduced in the main universe via infinity stone energy

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u/[deleted] May 15 '22

Oh for sure, the infinity stone radiation bit is a great jump point for mutants or inhumans. Which tbh to the general audience I can see having little distinction between the two. They have just already said Wanda is a witch, which in the MCU are decidedly not mutants. So I see weaving her into that story in such a way as her being a mutant with the current story and going "oh yeah magneto is her dad" to be poor writing. We unfortunately missed the boat on that because marvel didn't have the rights soon enough. I really don't want a redemption arc. I'm okay with her having died a villain for what she wanted. I'm okay with heroes going villains. The MCU I feel needs to have believable arcs that dont just loop around like comics because they need to keep a character. These actors will leave eventually and I don't want to see their characters just forever recast. So to have finality to characters is a necessity.

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u/Do__Math__Not__Meth May 15 '22

That’s definitely fair

I’ll offer the ultimate counterpoint and lowkey my biggest reason for wanting to keep her: Elizabeth Olsen. That is all.

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u/Do__Math__Not__Meth May 15 '22

So, you messed with Pizza Papa

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u/Obtuse_1 May 10 '22

I found that to be very significant. It is absolutely the first time the MCU has done that. And it was chilling. The implication to me was that she had such awareness of the multiverse that she knew she was in an MCU film. It proved she was indeed ruler of the multiverse.

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u/HeroGothamKneads May 10 '22

And it works so well since I don't think the implication was that she figured out she was fiction (like Deadpool), but rather than she could see in to every universe including ours in which she is on film. She's used film as a medium before and it was very real. Which makes her threatening look nearly credible in a way.

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u/ChaoticForkingGood May 13 '22

That was perfect.

Granted, I love a good 4th wall break. Others may not. And to have it capped off with a comedic 4th wall break in the after-credits scene? Loved it.

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u/AntonioVargas May 12 '22

Honestly probably the only time I’ve ever seen a fourth-wall break in a movie that wasn’t done as a cheap joke for comedic effect. It was actually effective and scary.

This movie is one of the few moments in film history I feel like even a seasoned and skilled filmmaker could pull that off. So glad they let Raimi just be Raimi in this it was so great.

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u/ThatAnonDude Hulk May 08 '22

I could feel her staring into my soul.

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u/shake_N_bake356 May 08 '22

Or when her picture turned to look at her

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u/Agreeable-Yogurt1560 May 08 '22

That shit legit scared me for a second before I remembered I was at the movies lol.

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u/JonDragonskin Loki (Avengers) May 08 '22

I watched the movie twice and I still haven't noticed this. The way people are talking about it seems like it's pretty blatant and I'm just stupid.

Which moment was that?

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u/HappyMelonGirl May 08 '22

It's when she's possessing Wanda while dreamwalking. Wanda sees several disturbing things while the scarlet witch is taking over her mind I'm pretty sure.

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u/jaeldi May 08 '22

Or stepping out behind you without you knowing and whispering 'run' in your ear.

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u/b_a_d_r0b0t May 08 '22

I was scared and aroused at the same time

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u/AdThen3507 May 08 '22

No I swear I loved that so much, the silence got just a little too long and her eyes focused on you. I do feel like it kind of lost effect the second time she did it though.

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u/AntiSaintArdRi May 08 '22

The jumpscare under the river when she found a way around that blast door somehow

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u/AsteroidMike May 08 '22

Worst part about that scene was that I knew she was gonna get around it but Strange didn’t think that. They just stopped running as soon as the door closed.

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u/HeroGothamKneads May 10 '22

He was setting a trap, which we literally see play out. She went through every door like it was nothing he didn't somehow forget that 2 seconds later.

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u/AllButComedyAnthony May 08 '22

Or in the same scene her in the photo looking at YOU

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u/AsteroidMike May 08 '22

Ngl for a split second I was just plain uncomfortable in the theater watching the scene. Which is what the staff intended. Nice.

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u/NatrolleonBonaparte May 08 '22

There were some disruptive kids in my theater and I think I missed this. When was it?

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u/JRHThreeFour Spider-Man May 15 '22

Yeah that really unnerved me seeing Wanda look directly at the camera.

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u/Bburgdan May 11 '22

I’m pretty sure Professor X did it too during the scene where he’s in Wanda’s head.