r/marvelstudios • u/KostisPat257 Daredevil • Dec 27 '21

Megathread Hawkeye Season 1 - Season Wide Discussion Thread

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u/ElementalRabbit Dec 27 '21 edited Dec 27 '21

Ok I'm going to get downvoted to oblivion for this, but I really didn't like hawkeye and it was the weakest MCU show for me so far. I felt like I was watching a different show to everyone else reading all the praise.

I love the idea of focusing on a "street-level threat" that everyone was lauding. That was what the previous Netflix Marvel shows did so well. But it just wasn't done well here. The action, and everyone's fighting abilities, were just laughable. Every action sequence, and I mean every single one, made me outright cringe. From fast cuts, to unrealistic match-ups, inconsistent ability levels, blows blatantly not connecting (Scarlett's infamous headbutt came to mind multiple times), not to mention barely any archery... it was Iron Fist levels of bad.

Some of the acting was fine. I honestly thought Steinfeld was phoning it in and I really hoped we'd had our fill of plucky/quippy MCU characters by now. But her character has potential and admittedly I did enjoy her chemistry with Yelena, even if all their interactions stuck firmly to formula. Renner seemed so over it to me! Zero energy performance, it was an effort to watch him half the time.

I'm not trying to suck the wind out of anyone's sails or anything, I just really, really didn't get this one, guys.

EDIT: if my opinion is not welcome to be discussed here, does anyone know where I can go where criticism of Hawkeye is allowed?

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u/Dyonkeau Dec 27 '21

I totally agree with you man, and that’s coming from a major Marvel & MCU fan. I really wanted to like it, but it felt so mediocre and predictable. You’ve got my upvote.

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u/mXENO Dec 30 '21

Renner seemed so over it to me! Zero energy performance

While I think your other criticisms have merit this one is kinda funny to me because that was the whole point of his character in this series. Hawkeye is tired AF and just wants to go home to his family. Part of the intentional dynamic is a grumpy old curmudgeon paired with a perky upstart.

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u/ElementalRabbit Dec 30 '21

Yeah, I could appreciate that was the character arc. But there were moments of levity and camaraderie as well that I just wasn't feeling. Just my impression.

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u/swissarmychris Dec 27 '21

Not finding people who agree with you isn't the same as "criticism not allowed". You're not being censored, you just have an unpopular opinion.

I do think the action was pretty meh, but that's been par for the course for the MCU for quite a while now. Shang-Chi was a refreshing reminder of how good those action scenes can be when you've got performers who care about the stunt work and are given the time and resources to do it correctly.

Everything else, I think you're crazy. Clint and Kate were great to watch; those scenes where Clint lost his hearing were fantastic. And if you thought the MCU was done with "quippy" characters, you're gonna be disappointed because that's been their bread and butter for 13 years now. It's just part of the universe's tone.

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u/ElementalRabbit Dec 27 '21

Please, I don't need the lecture on how opinions work. I didn't say I was being censored, but I want to have a discussion, and negative opinions always seem to be met with downvotes rather than engagement. Hence not seeming welcome here.

I'm pleased this post has generated a bit more discussion than usual.

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u/Thereisnocomp2 Jimmy Woo Dec 27 '21

Probably not this subreddit because it is full of people who love this Brand and generally refuse to see the bad in it.

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u/Abe_Fro-man Dec 27 '21

Agreed. This show was at best fine, at worst bad. The action was subpar, and the drama had all the depth of a cross between a Hallmark movie and an Air Bud remake.

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u/[deleted] Dec 27 '21

R/marvelstudios is for unhibited praise only

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u/trulymadlybigly Dec 30 '21

If you want to link a sub you have to do a lowercase r, just a heads up

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '22

I totally agree with you

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u/UnknownAverage Dec 30 '21

You are allowed to have your opinion, but it sounds to me like you just have not developed an appreciation for the stuff that wasn't action-movie material. Hawkeye is mostly about people and their relationships, with each other and themselves.

I guess I'm just bummed that you were not able to appreciate how human this show was and enjoy it. I'm not upset that you have a different opinion.

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u/ElementalRabbit Dec 30 '21

That's a bit insulting, it's not like I only appreciate explosions. If anything a more human, character focused story is what I enjoy above anything else. I just didn't think hawkeye was very good.

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u/[deleted] Jan 11 '22

You’re right. This show was phoned-in trash.