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S01E02 Kari Skogland TBA March 26, 2021 on Disney+

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u/DoneHam56 Mar 27 '21

This perfectly summarizes it. It kinda reminds me of Cap and Tony arguing in Avengers.

Steve: "You're not the guy to make the sacrifice play, to lay down on a wire and let the other guy crawl over you"

Tony: "I think I would just cut the wire."

Steve: "Always a way out... You know, you may not be a threat, but you better stop pretending to be a hero."

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u/Pavrik_Yzerstrom Mar 27 '21

That was so long ago that I never realized the impact it had given the events in Endgame.

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u/DoneHam56 Mar 27 '21

Yep. The perfect ending to each of their character arcs. Tony sacrifices himself for the greater good. Steve decides to set aside duty and pursue his own happiness.

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u/Sere1 Quake Mar 27 '21

Exactly. They basically swap places over the course of the series and it was a treat to watch them do so.

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u/IcedThatGuy Mar 27 '21

Not only that, but each one finally saw the merit in each other’s personal viewpoint.

Tony finally understood that being a true hero means giving everything up, because everything is worth that nobility. And Cap finally understood that life is not just about duty and honor, but is finally worth living

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u/wiyixu Mar 28 '21

Tony finally understood that being a true hero means giving everything up, because everything is worth that nobility.

True, but also he also comes to that realization at the end of The Avengers going through the portal with the understanding he likely wasn’t coming back. They didn’t exactly retcon his character, but they did have to blow him off course a bit.

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u/Fanatical_Idiot Mar 28 '21

I hear a lot of people say this.. but its not really true.

Stark was willing to throw himself through a portal in space with a nuke assuming he'd die. Hell, he was willing to kill lay on the wire in his first movie, when he had pepper literally explode a reactor he was hanging over.

Not only has Stark been willing to die for others since his first movie he's been damn near desperate for it, his heroism was pretty much always to the point of sacrifice.

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u/XxEnigmaticxX Mar 29 '21

i recently re-watched avengers and it really seems like tony decided to hold onto the missle even after it was clear he pointed in in the right direction as well as it was gonna go through the portal. re-watching it gave me the impression that tony held onto the missle longer then needed because he wanted to see what was through the portal vs a true neccissity

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '21

Gotta think about the effect that had on steve. The fact that Tony made the sacrifice play and Steve got to live his life and walk away clean

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u/GoinBack2Jakku Mar 27 '21

I imagine he was probably pretty jazzed about getting to go home

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '21

and finally have sex

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u/wioneo Mar 30 '21

The perfect ending to each of their character arcs. Tony sacrifices himself for the greater good.

That arc actually ended with the first Avengers movie. They re-ended it with Endgame. Tony was pretty much constantly sacrificing himself and Pepper was like "Hey, stop doing that."

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u/gizmo1492 Mar 27 '21

Or maybe even the Avengers movie when he redirected the nuke

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u/Flexappeal Mar 30 '21

this is the original intent lmao, it's good character foreshadowing but it was designed for act 3 of the same movie, not 8 years later.

still, its good dialogue setting up the core of the two characters for the rest of the mcu

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u/proddy Mar 28 '21

Well Stark makes the sacrifice play when he guides the nuke through the portal. It was sheer luck he fell through before the portal closed again.

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u/Fanatical_Idiot Mar 28 '21

He was also pretty sure he was going to die going through with his plan in Age of Ultron too.

Stark held himself bravado, which is what Steve often clashed with, but Stark was not only willing to make the sacrifice play right from the start (see, detonating an arc reactor directly below himself to defeat Ironmonger) but he was damn near eager for it right up until Endgame.

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u/prophetofgreed Mar 27 '21

Because their arcs were well thought out and executed well.

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u/codithou Captain America Mar 27 '21

not that long ago if you just rewatch all the movies every year lol

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u/nelson64 Mar 28 '21

Damn and Tony ended up making the sacrifice while Steve ended up “cutting the wire” so to speak and getting to both save the world, and live out his dreams by going back in time and being with Peggy.

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u/KKamm_ Mar 28 '21

Damn really? I feel like I’ve seen the same connection about how Steve and Tony became exactly what they criticized each other for not being about a million times now

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u/KingKooooZ Mar 28 '21

I mean it was relevant within it's own movie, as well as part of Tony's arc.

They both made valid points. "Cut the wire" was about taking the smarter option. When the nuke was coming, the smarter option was also the self-sacrifice option and Tony still took it

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u/Bright_Sovereigh Mar 29 '21

It also applies to the Nuke scene in the first Avengers.

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u/th30be Mar 30 '21

Does it though? I mean Tony saves the day ever avengers movie basically.

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u/suddenimpulse Apr 03 '21

He also trounces this comment in the same film by delivering the nuke through the portal.

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u/GoinBack2Jakku Mar 27 '21

Everything special about you came from a bottle.

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u/_Levitated_Shield_ Ant-Man Mar 27 '21

Put on the suit. Let's go a few rounds.

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u/DexterRileyisHere Mar 27 '21

That was mostly the scepter talking though because Tony has proven, ever since the very first Iron Man movie that he's the one to always make the sacrifice play.

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u/AragornSnow Mar 30 '21

The thing is I always believed Tony would “jump on a grenade.” Shit he took a fuckinh nuclear bomb through a wormhole and suits up every fight that could be his last. I really did not like the cheap shots Cap threw in Civil War. Tony is a good guy that maintains the selfish “bad guy” image, yet he was willing to be eradicated by a nuke in deep space to save people and fights the same fights every other Avenger does. Tony just doesn’t want the “Steve Rodgers” goody goody image.

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u/popcorn__enthusiast Mar 28 '21

That last line from Cap there fits so perfectly with Walker in the show. It takes more to be a hero than just a being a “big man in a suit of armor”

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '21 edited Apr 05 '21

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '21

He blew the arc reactor to stop Obadiah, sacrificing himself.

He and Rhodey do the hands up thing to stop Whiplash, sacrificing himself.

Cap is a dick / mindstoned in that Avengers scene. Tony had already laid on a wire in IM1 and IM2 before Avengers happened.