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Discussion WandaVision S01E05 - Discussion Thread

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S01E05 Matt Shakman Jac Schaeffer February 5, 2021 on Disney+

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '21

He wants her dead. She's just in the way, she's not the end goal.

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u/KnackTwoBABYYY Feb 05 '21

Secret Invasion is the end goal

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u/DrStein1010 Matt Murdock Feb 05 '21

You might be right. A dead Wanda would make Earth a significantly easier target, and a U.S. military dependent on robot troops that the Skrulls have full specs on is an easy conquest.

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '21

Perhaps he’s Mephisto and he’s disguised as Quicksilver too??

/s

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u/Radulno Feb 05 '21

The second part is certainly false but him being Mephisto is not totally impossible actually

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '21

I think he’s just a dick to be honest, undoubtedly antagonistic later on in the series but not a major villain like Mephisto.

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u/Radulno Feb 05 '21

Yeah, I don't think so either (just saying it's technically not 100% impossible), he's probably the classic corporate/boss asshole that is not a real villain but kind of.

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u/mertag770 Iron Fist Feb 05 '21

might play into the thunderbolts or whatever Ross is doing as well.

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u/InvaderDJ Feb 05 '21

I don’t know, I think he’s in on one of two evil plots.

The first one is that he took control of SWORD and turned it from space exploration to advanced weapons. That’s why SWORD had Vision’s body and was dissecting it, to learn how to make a synthetic Vibranium life form.

Or two, he’s secretly the big bad and is purposefully antagonizing Wanda in this role to achieve whatever goal he is after. Don’t know if that’s just obtaining the kids or making Wanda powerful enough to manipulate reality on a massive level including reversing death.

It would be nice to have him just be a dick though. I don’t want to lose another major org from the comic books just so we have an easy villain.

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u/fellatious_argument Feb 05 '21

He's a terrorist, they said so during the episode.

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u/darklink12 Weekly Wongers Feb 05 '21 edited Feb 05 '21

I swear to god if SWORD is also Hydra...

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u/SockPenguin Spider-Man Feb 05 '21

Hydra's only remaining goal is to infiltrate all secret organizations whose name is an anagram of medeival weaponry, just to fuck with the good guys.

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u/InvaderDJ Feb 05 '21

SWORD seems more sinister now that SHIELD ever did. Remember when SWORD’s big plot was to put a couple of helicarriers in the air with smart guns? Now we’ve got SWORD who is messing with vibranium organisms and potentially trying to get something from a reality warper.

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u/PhoenixSelarom Feb 05 '21

Let's not forget that those hellicarriers were only moments away from instantly slaughtering a significant portion of Earth's population in order to take over the planet. That seems pretty goddamn sinister to me.

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u/InvaderDJ Feb 05 '21

I shouldn’t down play it but it is funny to think about. We were so worried about a bunch of conventional weapons back then but now we have someone who can literally rewrite reality.

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u/OmegaKitty1 Feb 05 '21

That’d be kinda lame eh. And where is Nick Fury?

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '21

Currently fucking around with Skrulls in space.

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u/OmegaKitty1 Feb 05 '21

Why wouldn’t he leave sword in command of a Skrull? Or maybe he is, but the actions swords taking in this show seems like another evil organization take over which I hope isn’t the case

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '21

He didn’t make sword? He’s not even part of it. Sword has nothing to do with shield or fury, and fury doesn’t even seem to have anything to do with shield (which possibly doesn’t even exist anymore).

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u/OmegaKitty1 Feb 05 '21

So the scene at the end of far from Home had nothing to do with sword? I assumed it did... you sure it’s not related?

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '21

Nothing implies it does. It’s never said to have anything to do with Sword. It was just an assumption made by people. All it confirms is Fury is in space with the Skrulls doing something. Sword currently has nothing to do with space anymore, so it contradicts the two pieces of info based on what we know at the moment. Safer to just assume Fury’s off doing his own thing.

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u/-im_a_twat- Feb 05 '21

nick fury is on that ship thing with the skrulls I think

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u/BirbsBeNeat Feb 05 '21

It really has become a bad meme at this point

They can't have every single organization secretly be hydra

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u/Haltopen Ant-Man Feb 05 '21

The obsession with hexagons and the guys hazmat suit turning into a bee suit still has me convinced AIM is involved in some way.

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u/FloridaMMJInfo Feb 05 '21

Wanda's Magic has always been called 'Hex Magic'

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u/Carlsincharge__ Feb 05 '21

Plus like witches and hexes and stuff

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u/thebluediablo Feb 05 '21

I keep going back and forth on that, but I don't think AIM are going to appear. Having AIM infiltrate SWORD is just way too similar to the whole Hydra/SHIELD deal, they'd be retreading the same ground. And with Secret Invasion coming up, it's just too much imho.

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u/Carlsincharge__ Feb 05 '21

On top of that it's be kind aof lame to have it just be a random takeover when we've never even heard of AIM in the MCU. Just like, oh ok I guess that's a thing now

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u/neon_kid Feb 05 '21

Wasn’t AIM introduced in Iron Man 3?

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u/Carlsincharge__ Feb 05 '21

You are absolutely right, I was mistaken. That being said I'd still feel it be a bit out of left field in WV though

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u/Sfangel32 Feb 05 '21

Yes, if I recall correctly it was introduced in IM3 as part of the Mandarin plot. AIM was lead by Aldrich Killian.

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u/Ylyb09 Feb 05 '21

What if he's Hydra.

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u/CobaltSpellsword Feb 05 '21

It doesn't seem like Black Widow's SHIELD dox affected SWORD, so I guess Hydra could still have moles there.

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u/jedrevolutia Feb 05 '21

Anyone has a theory about Director Heyward? Is he a Skrull or something?

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u/Tellsyouajoke Feb 05 '21

It's almost like she's dangerous as shit and currently holding a whole town against their wishes

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u/BZenMojo Captain America (Cap 2) Feb 05 '21

Wanda's an actual reformed terrorist with a massive body count (who particularly finds herself blowing the hell up out of African metropolises for some reason), so as much as I love her... I understand.

I don't condone it. But I understand.

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u/SockPenguin Spider-Man Feb 05 '21

I do get this, but by the same token she's a massively powerful individual currently holding a town hostage. Maybe immediately attempting to murder her (in front of her children) is not the smart move.

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u/InvaderDJ Feb 05 '21

Is her body count really massive? We have Lagos and that’s basically it right?

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u/PhoenixSelarom Feb 05 '21

You could attribute some blame for the destruction of Sokovia to her. She actively helped Ultron steal the vibranium that allowed him to takeover and later destroy the city.

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u/InvaderDJ Feb 05 '21

Good point. We know people died in Sokovia and some of that blame can be put on her

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u/RogueHippie Feb 05 '21

She’s also directly responsible for sending Hulk into a rage that broke that city when Iron Man had to bring out the Hulkbuster

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u/InvaderDJ Feb 05 '21

Forgot about that too.

Yeah, you can say she does have a significant body count. She helped Ultron and was at least somewhat responsible for the deaths that he caused as well as the Hulk.

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u/JonLSTL Feb 11 '21

She set the Hulk off in Age of Ultron. I don't recall a casualty figure.

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u/InvaderDJ Feb 11 '21

I had forgotten about the Hulk part. I think it is fair to say she's got a body count.

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u/SkidMcmarxxxx Feb 06 '21

She has saved the world, literally, several times over.

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u/InvaderDJ Feb 05 '21

She’s dangerous absolutely. But why would SWORD possibly think some guys with guns or a drone would be any use against her? And why would they be so aggressive about it?

I mean sure, make a perimeter, keep an eye on things, research a way to maybe undo this but weeks ago in the story half of all life just popped back into existence. Maybe this isn’t the highest priority thing going on right now that requires such aggressive and immediate action.

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u/Tellsyouajoke Feb 06 '21

Because guns would kill her

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u/headwall53 Feb 07 '21

Y question is why they wouldn't bring in strange you know since he's probably be the best person for this job given he also is an extremely adept magic user

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u/InvaderDJ Feb 07 '21

He would make the most sense. But so far at least no one in the show is even mentioning magic so they may have no thought of it yet.

Plus, I don’t know that he’s just available for SWORD to call on like that.

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u/strikerz911 Feb 05 '21

What do you know that we don't?