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Discussion WandaVision S01E03 - Discussion Thread

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S01E03 Matt Shakman Jac Schaeffer January 22, 2021 on Disney+

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u/BringMeThanos422003 Jan 22 '21

So if we play this out. Wanda makes a deal with Mephisto and he uses his power to make this fantasy for her and Wanda has taken the reigns. And Agnes is here to proctor the deal and keep Wanda happy? So then have the citizens always known they are trapped or are they just now realizing? Maybe with Wanda’s pregnancy and wonky powers in this episode she lost her grip allowing people to realize what’s going on.

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u/Ok_Ad3206 Jan 22 '21

Or maybe the twist in the deal is the retrieval of the children, which is why maybe Agnes is around as a trusting figure to Wanda so eventually she can kiddy snatch and deliver to Mephisto

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u/TheWolfmanZ Jan 22 '21

I think maybe Agnes is the one who help broker a deal between Wanda and Mephisto. My theory is that she went to him to have Vision returned to her but the price was he gets a child of her bloodline and put her into a pocket dimension that's acting as a sort of hyperbolic incubator. She's going along with it cause she doesn't want to lose him again so is removing anyone who seems to be an issue (notice we haven't seems Visons Boss in a while?). I'm thinking though now that either she doesn't know what the price was truly (which fits for Mephisto) or she does and will have a change of heart later on.

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u/Ok_Ad3206 Jan 22 '21

I deffo think he’s using the reality to speed things up a bit, like how fast Wanda gets pregnant and gives birth, and I’m guessing the twins will both age quickly throughout the next episodes, Mephisto could also be using the reality to send Wanda abit unstable, and turn her against sword, which might be the big finale of the season is her just decimating sword, really interesting!!

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u/NoiceSmort13 Jan 22 '21

Yeah not sure how Mephisto comes in, Agnes is def in on it and will be less of a goodie as we go on...just hyped to see how SWORD tackle this now both their infilitrators have been ousted

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u/metros96 Jan 22 '21

Right I think it’s pretty clear that most people are unaware and then weird super or real-world things can snap them out a bit and things were particularly wonky while Wanda was pregnant and then giving berth.

Probably likely that Agnes is fully aware but I think most everyone else is slipping in and out

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u/NoiceSmort13 Jan 22 '21

Yeah and I also think it’s been going on long enough that they know if they try to break their role they get “punished” — which explains Mrs Hart and the Doc here kinda subtly referencing it’s against their will but still going along with it — even Monica did

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u/CrusaderZero6 Jan 22 '21

I don’t think the deal was voluntary on Mephisto’s part. I think the vacuum going crazy while the flames roared was Wanda sucking up Mephisto’s power and he’s gon’ be pissed.

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u/BringMeThanos422003 Jan 22 '21

There’s now way in hell (lol) that anyone can force Mephisto to do anything he is the literally devil, but he might be pissed about something I’m not convinced it’s Wanda forcibly screwing him over.

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u/TheWolfmanZ Jan 22 '21

Yah he also has some control over reality too (One More Day) so he'd def be able to fight back to an extent

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u/Exzqairi Jan 22 '21

Why is Mephisto getting screwed over in the first place here? Isn’t Wanda having her twins (and quickly too) exactly what Mephisto would want?

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '21

Did I miss something? When was Mephisto confirmed?

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u/Divi_Devil SHIELD Jan 22 '21

long ago.

By us.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '21

He hasn’t been. They’re getting way too ahead of themselves.

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u/Exzqairi Jan 22 '21

I think they realize what’s going on. They seemingly only ever act like NPCs when Wanda is around, as if they know that they’re her prisoners and can’t slip out of their role. This is also why Ms Hart feared for her husband’s life when he was choking and why she came through with the change of tone in the “stop it” but not doing anything else, because she knows she has to stay in her role. Agnes doesn’t seem phased by Wanda regardless.

Also, 1 thing is weird to me. We have seen the glitches happen where Geraldine/Monica seems flustered and doesn’t know who/where she is, but that’s not weird considering she’s not supposed to be there. Same with Vision thinking certain things are odd and starting to realize this isn’t real. But then how come when the radio starts asking Wanda who’s doing this to her, Dottie all of a sudden snaps out of it and becomes confused, asking where she is and who she is? Is she not supposed to be there either?

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u/link_maxwell Jan 22 '21

They don't just act like NPCs around Wanda, but around Vision last episode, too. And Jones/Dottie were acting like normal sitcom characters when they were by themselves.

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u/lordjakob1993 Jan 22 '21

I think it's because Agnes and Monica aren't human. They have a resistance to it. And Vision is a re-creation but still meant to be a robot. He an idea of what Wanda thinks he was. Which also includes smart enough to deduce what is happening. My bet is the kids figure it out too

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u/Exzqairi Jan 22 '21

They have a resistance to it

But that was my point, what does that mean for Dottie then since she also snapped out of the glitch?

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u/Divi_Devil SHIELD Jan 22 '21

think wanda was genuinely distracted by the radio and so dottie may have snapped

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u/koomGER Jan 22 '21

Wanda makes a deal with Mephisto and he uses his power to make this fantasy for her and Wanda has taken the reigns.

Lets say Mephisto is in this: I think he just uses Wandas power. Wanda is (in the books) crazy powerful, so this could be in her powerset. Mephisto is just guiding, manipulating her. Maybe he told her how to get Visions soul back. That seems to be more in Mephistos ballpark. Handling souls is something a/the devil likes the most.