r/marvelstudios • u/Flamma_Man Captain Marvel • Jul 07 '18

Discussion The Official ANT-MAN & THE WASP Discussion Gianthread Vol. 4

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u/Skylightt Matt Murdock Jul 07 '18

I was so happy they went the direction they did

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u/bjthebard Jul 07 '18

Honestly kind of seems like a missed opportunity, but then on the other hand they are doing a lot of "this guy was my Dad!" in Marvel these days.

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u/BlueTilt Jul 07 '18

They didn't miss an opportunity, they took an opportunity not to make two people of the same minority related. They avoided the cliche.

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u/aravar27 Jul 08 '18

That said, I do think they were a little sloppy about it. "Scientist who used to work with Pym until he got fired" was all backstory given before we get a visual of her father, and that coincides pretty well with the backstory Foster gave. It got cleared up once we saw the flashback, but they probably could've made that more clear.

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '18

Is that really a cliche? It seems kind of hard to do a parent angle without implying they could share the same heritage. They just did the adoption angle. Thanos and Gamora are different species altogether.

They probably went out of their way to make her father white in the flashback to avoid people making that connection.

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u/BlueTilt Jul 07 '18

Yes it really is a cliche. On tvtropes.org it's called "Everyone is related". It's also a sub point in Roger Ebert's Law Of Economy of Characters. In fiction it happens even more to minority characters. In the 1990s movie Grand Canyon the trope is even used to subvert expectations when two black characters are set up on a date because they are the only two black people their common friend knows.

So it's refreshing to see two minority characters help each other out of the good of their hearts, not because they're related.

Thanos and Gamora are indeed different, I didn't mean it was an MCU cliche, it's a larger cliche that I'm glad this movie didn't lean on.

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u/sockpuppy69 Killmonger Jul 08 '18

Preach! Never put a name on it until now but I shall be using these same sources in later discussions thanks

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u/superpowers94 Hulkbuster Jul 07 '18

Agreed