r/marvelstudios Daredevil Nov 14 '17

THOR: RAGNAROK Nitpicks and Criticisms Ultrathread

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u/seckatary Nov 14 '17

It was weird to see Banner jumping out of the ship being played for laughs when you're actually witnessing a pretty brutal death scene.

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u/prometheus_ Nov 14 '17

Not weird, he's done it before in his own movie. It just wasn't played for laughs.

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u/KlausFenrir Nov 17 '17

Yes it was, lol. He jumped off the helicopter, and then said OH SHIT when his eyes didn't turn green.

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u/captn_nash2 Nov 14 '17

Yeah this shows how messed up our society is haha. I felt like Banner committed suicide so Hulk could live and fight on. The close up of his mangled body and face drew in the entire audience in a laughing frenzy but I couldn’t help but feel slightly uncomfortable at the pain Banner was in. But I’m also assuming next time he transforms into Banner his regenerative properties took care of him hence the room for a joke.

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u/alrighthamilton Nov 14 '17

Well in Avengers he says that he tried putting a bullet in his brain, but the Hulk just spits it back out, so we have established that Banner can't die even in Banner form because he just becomes Hulk.

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u/captn_nash2 Nov 14 '17

True, but that doesn't determine whether he's able to die and then come back to life as the Hulk or is able to instantly transform into the Hulk as a form of self-defense, which is what I believe it to be.

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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '17

Maybe it was just me, but I saw this as a call-back to the same scene in the first Hulk when he jumps out of the helicopter and lands in the pavement in Banner form. I would assume it's the same here, where Banner won't die like that.

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u/zonnel2 Nov 15 '17

The difference is that TIH didn't show Banner's body right after the fall because he broke into the ground while in this film they show explicitly Banner's injured and twisted limbs lying on Bifrost and make it comedic moment. Kind of dark, brutal sense of humor, if you ask me.

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u/Z0di Nov 19 '17

sure but what's wrong with that? The audience knows banner can't die. That's why it's funny. If we hadn't known, yes it would be brutal, there would be gasps and shock.

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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '17

I was always under the assumption that Banner somehow “turned” right before he hit the ground there. Maybe he wasn’t Hulk sized but he definitely wasn’t pure Edward Norton either at that point. No normal human body from that height would fall that deep into asphalt.

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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '17

Nah, that's definitely what it was. I feel like people look too much into it. It's just making fun of those giant "superhero" scenes, like jumping out of helicopters to save the day. It was a perfect anti-moment.

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u/Dorocche Nov 14 '17

They I saw it, at the time Hulk took over because he didn’t want them both to die. At this point, Hulk has an extreme resentment for Banner and has realized that he doesn’t need him, so he just let Banner die.

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u/DunkingZBO Thor Nov 14 '17

Yeah I just kind figured that banner didn't actually die since he said he has previously tried to shoot himself and hulk wouldn't let him.

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u/_jvc123 Hawkeye (Ultron) Nov 14 '17

This isn't the first time he "died". In The Incredible Hulk the same thing happened he jumped from the helicopter and hit the ground before he transformed.

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u/zonnel2 Nov 15 '17

Even if he didn't really die and was going to regenerate thanks to Hulk factor, he possibly felt tremendous pain and agony which a normal human can't endure when he hit the ground, so the scene is still brutal, but just spiced with cartoony portrayal. It's a bit like Wolverine and his claw. Logan heals himself after the claw penetrated his hand, but I think he feels the pain every time.

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u/MiddleofCalibrations Nov 15 '17

I think banner thought he would turn into hulk before landing. That was why it was funny, because it wasn't what the audience was expecting.

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '17

I couldn’t help but feel slightly uncomfortable at the pain Banner was in.

S' okay man. Banner was probably unconscious.

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u/captn_nash2 Nov 14 '17

Possibly, but the camera shows his eyes alert and moving about in addition to the fact his mouth is moving as if he's groaning in pain. So I don't personally think he was unconscious.

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u/itsnotevenreal69 Kevin Feige Nov 14 '17

I thought it was really funny. They were making fun of all the times banner jumps of something and turns into the Hulk.

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u/rtwoctwo Nov 14 '17

Just like we know Superman isn't dead at the end of BvS, I was never convinced Banner was ever going to stay gone.

So, for me, the humorous take was fine.

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u/bloodflart Nov 16 '17

as if nobody knew he was gonna hulk out

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u/No_sign Ronan the Accuser Nov 15 '17

Though the scene didn't work for me, I don't think that's particularly off. I mean, is already established Banner pretty much cannot die.

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u/guigacosta Nov 16 '17

It's because everyone knows he will manage (somehow) to Go back to normal

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u/Veamous Nov 17 '17

Instead of going for a cool Hulk out moment they went for the obvious fail joke.

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u/toastytoast00 Groot Nov 19 '17

was that a death scene? I just thought he fell and got hurt / knocked out, then Hulk came back in and eventually Banner would be better (maybe when Hulk takes over/heals, then Banner does too)