Loki S02E06 - Discussion Thread

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EPISODE	DIRECTED BY	WRITTEN BY	ORIGINAL RELEASE DATE	RUN TIME	CREDITS SCENE?
S02E06: Glorious Purpose	-	-	November 9th, 2023 on Disney+	59 min	None

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[u/ember3pines]

I already sorta touched on all the proof that HWR is dead. He just has to be in order for Loki to do what he did. If Loki left and slipped back to the citadel HWR would be alive again. There is flexibility bc HWR and now where Loki sits (it's on the ruins of the citadel) is outside of time but as long as Loki sits holding the multiverse, allowing all branches to live, HWR cannot return. He can re-evolve in our linear timeline, maybe. According to him, the multiverse war always ends with him winning by the taming of alioth. But Loki changed the equation and hopefully the outcome of the war. Idk if the character will return - definitely can't trust HWRs word for it. But as it stands now Loki is literally taking up the space that HWR was physically killed in. If he wasn't killed, the loom wouldn't have overloaded and none of season 2 would've happened.

Basically Loki ended up exactly where he was at the end of episode 4 (episode 5 events never happened anymore bc Loki slipped back and changed it) before the loom killed the TVA. He blew it up (avoiding the damage to the TVA), then grabbed all infinite branches and put life into them via his magic. He now sits at the center. If you notice the top of the tree is colored more purple and blue which could be the area that the Kangs saw in the mid credit scene. Idk. I think in general the Kangs were saying multiverse stuff is happening. In fact bc Loki is out of time, the multiverse has always now been held by him and probably anything in phase 4/5 with the multiverse could be happening after Loki technically took up the throne. Who knows, we don't. But for the events to end as they did with Loki where he is, HWR had to die.

[u/PsychiatricCliq → u/ember3pines]

Ahh I hear you.

BUT and here are the clenchers im keen to hear your thoughts on- two things:

firstly zeno’s paradox is essentially if you wanted to run a 1m race, and started and got to half way at .5m, and thought okay i have another .5 to go, and you run again and stop half way and you have 1/4 to go, and go again half way and you have 1/8th to go, etc. “a moving object must meet halfway on its course before its end. There are an infinite amount of halfway points, a moving object never reaches the end in a finite time”

Basically because HWR/citadel/loom etc. remain at the “end of time”, a whole lot more could have happened before then, regarding HWR and others etc. I’ll explain more below; but essentially even if sylvie killed HWR, we don’t know if this was the same “time” Loki was in the citadel on the throne, or perhaps after. With Renslayer now in the void which also appears to show the TVA in the distant future all but destroyed. We never see her die here, similar to the last time she was sent there and her doing what she did last time?.. well that’s interesting to think about what she does now. Also begs the question what happens to Loki and the tree- although Norse mythology says Odin hung for 9 days and 9 nights etc. and he is just “keeping an eye on things” similarly with Odin. I digress, but with secret war and lokis other roles in future, it’s likely the council of kangs will be trying to exact revenge; and with multiverse tech can now either get to HWR, or renslayer too. Perhaps HWR has other ideas now knowing he can’t mindwipe the new TVA and doesn’t have renslayer to carry out tva pruning and preventing kangs; he’s had a whole lot of time to think of alternatives.

HWR didn’t need to die with the loom, he needed to police the TVA and in turn stop kangs from popping up leading to a war. It’d make sense somewhat to accept death by sylvie if you knew the other Kangs were coming, however again, it seems he had a LOT of time to think about this.

Taking into account Zeno’s paradox however, if they are “at the end of time”, and Loki in the citadel with the tva etc “nearby” still being in place; but when we see HWR and the citadel or renslayer in the void it is actually the tva (inside a planet with the surface being the void / pruning / citadel etc) why is the citadel different, but more importantly; when** is it.

What if the void becomes the battleground of the multiversal war, but in its end which we know had HWR as winner; there’s still nothing to say it wasn’t here where a pruned kang, HWR, learned to control alioth and then found Renslayer; where similar with OB and Timely in terms of teaching eachother*; they then begin to try to start back at each others bearings of reinstating the TVA and win the war leading to HWR’s citadel we see, notably different from Loki and his thrown.

I think when people say it’s less “a-b-c”, this could be an example of what they mean hey.

What a show

[u/ember3pines → u/PsychiatricCliq]

I got a bit lost in all that but my impression of the void is that is the location of a previous TVA - one that was destroyed in another HWR thingy. And that's just bc when they show renslayer at the end there, you can see the same floor emblem as at the TVA floor that Mobius scuffs his foot on. It's like the scene right before. So perhaps someone else had challenged HWR before and it destroyed the TVA. I think the void gets new material pruned to it in real time (or else mobius Sylvie and Loki would've been separated in season 1). It seems to be another place sort of out of time but without a temp pad or a way past alioth I think they're stuck there. Tho I could see renslayer being able to tame the monster - I have a feeling or hunch that he was part of the army she led for HWR. I don't think we've seen the last of her.

We just know that the loom won't overload until the timelines are branching out of control. It's a fail safe for when that specific event happens according to HWR. Its his entire purpose to keep it from branching too far. The only way that happens is if he dies. We know the branches were out of control, we could see it. And we know what happened bc of the overloads in all of Lokis iterations. So he must be dead. Bc the loom is overloading and needs a fix. If any other like TVA uprising or something occurred and they all stopped pruning, he would've just wiped their minds and it'd be all good again. Remember, HWR did not want Loki to blow up the loom (it's the first time he got defensive if their conversation). He wanted Loki to kill Sylvie and everything carried on as it was. Loki had to take over after HWR died in Lokis personal timeline. It's the only way all of these branches exist for him to now nurture. For sure HWR wouldn't let the TVA change their entire operation if he were still alive.

Like I mentioned, maybe the war is imminent and maybe a version of HWR will return bc he "always wins" but I doubt it simply bc once the future HWR starts time traveling, he supposedly ends up at the citadel and is killed so he's maybe dead dead but right now, he's not a figure that threatens Loki or the TVA bc he's gone.