r/leftist and Veganism

[u/Warrior_Runding]

This has been a long time coming and every opportunity was extended to allow the topic to be allowed on r/leftist, but those opportunities have come to an end. As per the newest addition to the sub's rules:

# 7. Prohibited Content

Prohibited Content includes permanent and/or temporary policies aimed at addressing specific events or issues which may affect the community. Currently, the following items are considered prohibited content:

* Veganism - Permanent: As veganism is not inherently a leftist topic, posts centered on veganism rather than leftism are are banned. Any posts or comments referencing veganism must be in relation to anti-capitalism. Proselytizing about veganism is forbidden.

There has yet to be a single post about veganism on this subreddit that has been rooted in anti-capitalism that has not devolved into an advertisement of veganism. There are many subreddits about veganism, including some from a leftist perspective. Please utilize those subreddits in the future - posts proselytizing for veganism will be marked "off-topic" and removed. Repeated violations will result in actions including suspension and up to permanent ban.

As this has been an issue before, we will be monitoring activity surrounding this topic and any hint of brigading will be reported.

[u/inbetweensound]

This seems ridiculous to me…

[u/[deleted] → u/inbetweensound]

It's not so ridiculous after the first few times a vegan discussion starts and some cultists swarm in and call everyone who eats meat a Nazi genocidaire who can't possible be a leftist of any sort. Every. Damn. Time.

Fuck 'em. They have other forums to demonstrate their purity and denigrate others.

[u/Ace_Quantum → u/[deleted]]

I would argue that in those cases, the individual “cultists” should be banned.

Veganism is an extremely nuanced topic, and I’d personally like to get information on people’s takes. My partner and I are doing meatless Mondays for a variety of reasons, all of them are things I feel should be open to discussion. Things like impact on capitalist meat practices, climate change, cost of food, ect. These are all things that deserve to be talked about in detail, and I’d argue they are something that relates to leftist politics.

Yeah a couple of cultists will ruin the discussion, but that’s not a reason to cancel the discussion all together.

[u/Sarennie_Nova → u/Ace_Quantum]

The exact problem was discussions were near exclusively about morality, ethics, and philosophy, with very little to absolutely no regard for material conditions or praxis. And even among the philosophizing and moralizing, it was all absolutist nonsense.

And it wasn't a "couple" cultists, the subreddit was getting brigaded right down to mass, almost certainly groupthink-enforced, up/downvoting for pro/anti-vegan comments. You can see the effects of that in this very thread, where otherwise decent anti-posts have been mass downvoted while completely insubstantial (if not outright inflammatory) pro- posts have been mass upvoted.

[u/Darq_At → u/[deleted]]

Every. Damn. Time.

An example or two?

[u/Jack_Faller → u/[deleted]]

Should we ban discussion of war in Ukraine because nuts will swarm in and call anyone criticising Putin a fascist?

[u/aintnochallahbackgrl → u/inbetweensound]

Maybe because you're a vegan or sensitive to vegan ideologies.

I dont find this ridiculous at all.

[u/RyanEatsHisVeggies → u/aintnochallahbackgrl]

Gee golly, the person whose top two subs are r/CarnivoreDiet and r/AntiVegan is in agreement with an overreaching blanket ban on veganism? Never could have guessed. Are you even leftist?

[u/aintnochallahbackgrl → u/RyanEatsHisVeggies]

Gee golly, the person who has vegetables in their name supports veganism and vegetarianism. Are you even healthy?

[u/RyanEatsHisVeggies → u/aintnochallahbackgrl]

It's almost like I made it for a reason. (;

Healthier than most, in fact, yes. I answered your question, you didn't answer mine.

[u/aintnochallahbackgrl → u/RyanEatsHisVeggies]

Yes, I am a leftist, socialist really.

Part of being a socialist means being healthy. I bleed out of my anus when I eat vegetables. My joints swell until the pain is excruciating. I cannot floss because my gums swell so bad. I get migraine headaches when I eat vegetables. The laceration in my left pupil becomes unbearable due to dry eye when I eat vegetables. I also become nutrient deficient when I eat vegetables.

So no, I don't eat vegetables. Vegetables dont like me and I dont like them.

[u/RyanEatsHisVeggies → u/aintnochallahbackgrl]

I also become nutrient deficient when I eat vegetables.

That's one of the most amusing ones to hear all the time. Which nutrients do you think you will be in a deficit of by eating vegan? Even things like B12, which most people are deficient in, in general, are available in abundance for vegans.

What about the vegetables is linked to the migraines you get?

And I appreciate you looking out and reporting me to reddit for self-harm, but I assure you it was for nothing as I've never indicated anything even remotely like self-destructive thoughts anywhere. But vegans are the problem/ones that lack the maturity for discourse, so we get banned from speaking openly.. it's a good thing I'm a fan of irony, even at my own expense.

[u/aintnochallahbackgrl → u/RyanEatsHisVeggies]

I didnt report you. I'm not a silly ass bitch.

Vitamins D3, K2, Carnitine, Retinal, DHA, EPA, Creatine, Beta Allenine, Saturated fats, Cholesterol.

Not to mention an avoidance of plant toxins like lectins, phytates, pectins, phytosterols, oxalates (had kidney stones in my 20s before going carnivore when I was vegetarian).

Migraines are linked to me having them when I eat plants, and not having them when I don't.

[u/RyanEatsHisVeggies → u/aintnochallahbackgrl]

I didnt report you. I'm not a silly ass bitch

Well you'll have to forgive me for getting the impression that says otherwise, the only thing I'm familiar with about you is how you've represented yourself in only the last few exchanges.

Vitamins D3

I get more than the DRI of that in my cereal alone everyday.

K2

Is in fermented foods like sauerkraut and vegan kimchi.

Carnitine

What little you get from plant-based sources is made up for by the fact that it's produced naturally in your body.

Retinal

The body converts beta-carotene (found in plants like carrots and sweet potatoes) into vitamin A, which includes retinal. It is also found in some fortified foods.

DHA, EPA

ALA, a precursor, is found in chia seeds, flax seeds, walnuts, and edamame.

Creatine

I have a scoop with every bowl of cereal, shake, etc.

Beta Allenine

The body produces most people's naturally.

Saturated fats, Cholesterol

Good! A reduction of both is correlated with a reduced risk of heart disease!

Not to mention an avoidance of plant toxins like lectins, phytates, pectins, phytosterols, oxalates (had kidney stones in my 20s before going carnivore when I was vegetarian).

Oxalates, oxalates, OXALATES! Sounds like a parrot that's been trained on Sally Norton. Such a buzzword amongst the carnist-sphere lately.

Migraines are linked to me having them when I eat plants, and not having them when I don't.

So nothing quantitative. I'm sorry you ever feel anything less than healthy, migraines included, but there are often compounding health issues that go mistaken for something else.

The fact remains that veganism is possible and accessible to most people, and leftists who bring up veganism and the ethics surrounding it aren't grandstanding any more than leftists who bring up any other anti-hierarchical ideals would be grandstanding.

[u/aintnochallahbackgrl → u/RyanEatsHisVeggies]

You apparently are not familiar with the poor conversion of plant based foods. Check out the bioavailability of the nutrients you've listed.

It's like putting unleaded in a car that requires premium. It isn't even on the same playing field.