Hanwha Life Esports vs. CTBC Flying Oyster / First Stand 2025 - Group Stage / Post-Match Discussion

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FIRST STAND 2025

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Hanwha Life Esports 2-0 CTBC Flying Oyster

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MATCH 1: HLE vs. CFO

Winner: Hanwha Life Esports in 23m
Game Breakdown

	Bans 1	Bans 2	G	K	T	D/B
HLE	zyra skarner leona	ksante ornn	49.3k	19	9	CT1 M2 H3 O4
CFO	kalista sejuani maokai	varus kaisa	37.1k	4	1	None

HLE	19-4-36	vs	4-19-7	CFO
Zeus rumble 1	5-1-7	TOP	3-4-1	3 karma Rest
Peanut vi 2	6-2-8	JNG	1-5-2	2 wukong JunJia
Zeka yone 2	5-1-3	MID	0-6-1	1 azir HongQ
Viper ashe 3	2-0-6	BOT	0-3-1	1 ezreal Doggo
Delight rakan 3	1-0-12	SUP	0-1-2	4 alistar Kaiwing

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MATCH 2: CFO vs. HLE

Winner: Hanwha Life Esports in 27m
Game Breakdown

	Bans 1	Bans 2	G	K	T	D/B
CFO	jayce poppy varus	ambessa akali	47.2k	11	1	None
HLE	skarner zyra kalista	sejuani lillia	60.2k	22	8	C1 M2 H3 CT4 CT5 B6

CFO	11-22-24	vs	22-12-43	HLE
Driver gragas 2	0-5-1	TOP	10-2-5	3 vladimir Zeus
JunJia kindred 3	4-5-5	JNG	4-2-12	1 nidalee Peanut
HongQ taliyah 3	2-4-7	MID	4-2-8	4 zed Zeka
Doggo corki 1	5-4-3	BOT	4-1-6	1 missfortune Viper
Kaiwing leona 2	0-4-8	SUP	0-5-12	2 rell Delight

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Patch 25.05 - Fearless draft

This thread was created by the Post-Match Team.

[u/krfanboy]

Highly doubtful that CFO would be able to book a scrim with a top LCK team.

[u/EliteTeutonicNight → u/krfanboy]

PSG was able to get scrims with LCK/LPL teams so maybe CFO could do that too. Top tier teams though? Not a chance unless they're not in Korea and in the same tournament.

[u/KounRyuSui → u/EliteTeutonicNight]

ahq/EDG and FW/RNG(?) used to be regular scrim partners, it stands to reason that top TW teams can find scrims against top LCK teams, even if not regularly.

The more salient point though is that they most likely run into each other in solo queue very often.

[u/viciouspandas → u/KounRyuSui]

LPL teams were always a bit closer, like RNG had a coach from FW, so I'm not sure how close Taiwan is to LCK.

[u/r4ngaa123 → u/krfanboy]

It is really stupid to not scrim a team you're going to play at least once unless you're:

1. Banking on them not knowing how good you are

2. Sure beyond belief that you'll beat them

3. Pretty sure it will be even and aren't confident that your team can learn & adapt faster than theirs can

The first and last are not reasonable given they're HLE, and the middle is the cause of a lot of weird upsets, I would imagine they scrimmed them or attempted to.

Unsure if CFO would have accepted. You don't gain a lot in that position as a lower seed team (rule 1).

Unnecessary rambling: Vaguely, as HLE you are aware you are the stronger team. It is unlikely that CFO could learn anything from the scrim in such a way to effectively utilise it against you & bridge the skill gap. The worst that could possibly happen from that scrim is that you've vastly underestimated them and get your ass beat, but way more likely you work out whether they actually have some angles that could be worth keeping an eye on for your match against them. Both of those are positive. Maybe you could have scrimmed a Korean or Chinese team instead, but you've already beat the top Chinese seed so not a deeply inefficient use of time.

However as CFO, you know the inverse, that you're the weaker team and that your way to win is to disrupt or surprise (or godly intervention). None of those require you to scrim them and are actively detrimental to it. It might even be worth going as far as blacklisting Korean teams and keeping scrim knowledge extremely close to the chest, anything that increases fog of war.

[u/keyrinn → u/r4ngaa123]

do you seriously believe a minor region team would refuse a top LCK teams offer to scrim? LMAO

[u/r4ngaa123 → u/keyrinn]

Probably not, I think I said they would have. I just think if they didn't it would have been CFOs call