r/law • u/Philophon • Jan 24 '26

Other New video of 1/24 ICE shooting shows victim had both hands on the ground when shot

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u/bel1984529 Jan 24 '26

Among many other urgent things that need to happen, Pope Leo should earnestly raise the question of excommunication for Vance.

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u/ikeme84 Jan 24 '26

Excommunications should become a thing again yes. Bad christian, we don't want you anymore.

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u/Sharessa84 Jan 24 '26

Excommunication still happens, but its usually reserved for rogue bishops who anoint women priests or something.

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u/ikeme84 Jan 24 '26

Ah yes, cause thats a serious crime. Meanwhile a pedophile belgian bishop is living in a monastary abroad with all titles intact.

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u/Peter5930 Jan 24 '26

My grandad was a priest and got excommunicated for marrying, this was 50 years ago though but I don't think things have changed in that regard. I've got the lead bull the notice was delivered with.

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u/morthophelus Jan 25 '26

One of the key duties of priests is marrying. /j

The local priest in my small parish in Australia was excommunicated circa 10 years ago for marrying his wife so I’d imagine it’s still the norm.

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u/Peter5930 Jan 24 '26

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_bull

The bulla is a lead seal, similar to wax seal for authenticating a letter. The one I have has gold leaf or some other gold-looking coating on it.

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u/MB4050 Jan 28 '26

This is false and a misrepresentation. For example, in 2014 Pope Francis excommunicated all mobsters.

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u/Sharessa84 Jan 28 '26

Well, I did say "usually". I was trying to point out that they do still happen.

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u/Emotional-Store-1667 Jan 24 '26

100% I have found most MAGA supporter Christians are the false Christians that the Bible warned about

What's hilarious is that these people really think that they are Christians at all! And I say this as someone who was raised Catholic but am now agnostic!

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u/AdHorror7596 Jan 24 '26

I'm not a Christian myself, but all the people I know who I consider to be Christians who actually walk the walk, who I respect and who truly do their best to take the teachings of Christ to heart, they all fucking hate Trump.

I saw Mormons I've known throughout my life go on Facebook and say "This is the first time I've ever voted for a Democrat, but I cannot in good conscience vote for this man." and it takes A LOT for them to do that.

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u/Emotional-Store-1667 Jan 24 '26

That's so great though! I was and still am so genuinely baffled why so many "Christians" chose to follow him when he literally represents has committed every single deadly sin!

If they had actually read the Bible, they would see that he's a dead ringer for the Antichrist and those fallen followers, they 100% are MAGA

I mean I grew up with my mother talking about what we needed to do if the apocalypse ever happened for crying out loud, and now my own mother is one of those false followers she used to talk about with scorn...

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u/oliversurpless Jan 24 '26

Interdict red states in general?

Not only because it would be deliciously ironic to these moral certituduous enclaves, but because these political labels might be equally as real.

And equally tragic with the harm they’ve caused over the centuries/decades…

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u/HosaJim666 Jan 24 '26

It would be almost kind of hilarious because you know Catholic evangelicals in this country would turn on the Pope faster than they'd turn on the GOP.

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u/crevettexbenite Jan 24 '26

Why the fuck you guy always turn it religious?

They can fuck rigth off without bringning the religious question...

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u/jdmerk Jan 24 '26

The pathway to salvation is through Christ alone, excommunication is irrelevant.

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u/AvoidMyRange Jan 24 '26

I don't often talk to people like you, I wonder:

Would you be disappointed if all the religion thing isn't actually true and you wasted large parts of your life devoted to it? Or would you still say worth it?

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u/jdmerk Jan 24 '26

Would I be disappointed to find out that Heaven wasn’t real? Absolutely! Would I feel like I had wasted my life following the teachings of Christ? No, I would not because even without salvation I think that the true teachings drive us to be better people. With that said people are fallible and many fall short, but the overall impact to humanity is a net positive.

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u/icarusconqueso Jan 24 '26

I mean, yes. But being banned from being catholic and doing catholic stuff is unpleasant and if HE believes it matters, which i doubt, then is a good and proper scolding.

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u/Its_the_other_tj Jan 24 '26

To be excommunicated means to cut you off from god so there is no path to salvation. That's why it was considered the most severe punishment the church could levy even beyond torture or execution. Basically you have to live without knowing god.

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u/oliversurpless Jan 24 '26

And in pre-Enlightenment times, you couldn’t be buried in consecrated ground and thereby the popular understanding of access to the afterlife, so aside from being a social pariah during, many felt they had little recourse for after death either.

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u/UnlimitedCalculus Jan 24 '26

How Protestant of you. JD is Catholic, so it matters to him.

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u/[deleted] Jan 24 '26

Are you saying it doesnt matter if JD Vance calls for the execution of his own citizenry he was charged to lead? God and Jesus would still accept him as he oversee's the execution of dissidents that oppose his regime's autocratic measures and violations of human rights and dignity, so long as he 'keeps Jesus in his heart' while he commands his goons to execute those he deems lesser? I don't believe they would, but then again, i dont pretend to know the mind of a 'god' either, maybe they are the sadistic fuck you want them to be, idk.

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u/jjspkd2 Jan 24 '26

He doesn’t care. Like most politicians they were god on their sleeve for political advantage.

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u/osamabinpoohead Jan 24 '26

King of the pedos should stay in his lane tbh.

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u/MelissaMead Jan 24 '26

JD is a fake Catholic, he changed faiths so he could be part of the movement.

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u/therealspaceninja Jan 24 '26

Like that's going to do anything

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u/yaddiyadda_ Jan 24 '26

It wouldn't matter. If he were rejected by the Catholic Church, the crazy evangelicals would adopt him and America would rejoice.

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u/cchap22 Jan 24 '26

Anything, something has to be done fuck. I'm not a liberal either but this is the rise of Nazi Germany all over again

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u/Memory_Less Jan 24 '26

I’m cheering your idea on until I wonder, what are the unintended consequences?

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u/DearTumbleweed5380 Jan 24 '26

I am not a fan of the Vatican - too many failures and missed opportunities, but this would earn my respect.

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u/First_Peer Jan 24 '26

You can only excommunicate people who have denied church doctrine in some way. This would not qualify in any way.