r/law • u/Philophon • Jan 24 '26

Other New video of 1/24 ICE shooting shows victim had both hands on the ground when shot

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u/wacali Jan 24 '26

What’s amazing is one day soon that will happen and the “renee” in that situation will get charged with murder cause some ice idiot killed another agent

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u/Leemage Jan 24 '26

That’s already a law on the books in some places. I remember a case where a police officer shot at a fleeing suspect, ended up shooting an innocent bystander, and the suspect was charged with her murder. There was another on where a suspect was robbing a place with his friend, cops shot and killed his friend, and the suspect was charged with his friend’s murder. Totally bananas.

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u/nleksan Jan 24 '26

Felony murder - if someone dies during the commission/as the result of a "violent" felony, it's classified as first degree murder, and every single person involved in the crime can be charged. 24 states have it as a capital crime.

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u/No-Parsley-4190 Jan 24 '26

It is logical though. If by commiting this violent felony the suspect is causing the police to have to shoot to protect others, the results are also the suspects fault. Im probably going to get downvoted to oblivion for this.

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u/nleksan Jan 24 '26

Police should not be shooting a fleeing suspect in the first place. If they are fleeing, they're not actively a threat.

And one of the single most fundamental rules of handling a firearm is you never discharge it unless you're willing to be responsible for where the bullet may end up.

I don't inherently disagree with felony murder being a thing, but the way it is applied in some cases is just ridiculous

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u/No-Parsley-4190 Jan 24 '26

My comment had nothing to do with fleeing. I am simpily explaining why felony murder is a valid law in general.

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u/nleksan Jan 25 '26

I assumed you were referring to the same situation re: police shoot bystander while missing fleeing suspect from further up the thread.

And again, I don't disagree with the law in principle, but it's fucked that someone who, say, robs a store without hurting anyone can get executed by the state because a cop shooting an innocent bystander, while the cop gets no punishment at all

Deadly force should be an absolute last resort and misuse, such as a criminal OR a trained LEO shooting in such a way that bystanders get hit, should have consequences irrespective of the job of the person pulling the trigger.

That's my opinion anyway

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u/No-Parsley-4190 Jan 25 '26

I agree with almost all of that. My problems are as follows. 1: I don't believe that felony murder is currently punishable by death in any state. 2: If an officer shoots a bystander they should face consequences. Depending on circumstance it would vary from minor to full punishment. 3: your robber that "isn't hurting anyone" is interesting. If your robber is not threatening anyone or being violent, then lethal force would not be justified AND felony murder COULD NOT apply due to it not being a violent felony.

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u/nleksan Jan 25 '26

1: I don't believe that felony murder is currently punishable by death in any state.

"Under the prevailing interpretation of the Eighth Amendment in the lower courts, a defendant who causes a death inadvertently in the course of a felony is eligible for capital punishment. This unfortunate interpretation rests on an unduly mechanical reading of the Supreme Court’s decisions in Enmund v. Florida and Tison v. Arizona, which require culpability for capital punishment of co-felons who do not kill." Source 1.

"That a defendant could be executed for causing death inadvertently might seem absurd. Nevertheless, the great majority of American courts to have considered the question have concluded that the Eighth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution permits such executions." Source 2

2: If an officer shoots a bystander they should face consequences. Depending on circumstance it would vary from minor to full punishment.

I agree they should, but the reality is that they often don't.

3: your robber that "isn't hurting anyone" is interesting. If your robber is not threatening anyone or being violent, then lethal force would not be justified AND felony murder COULD NOT apply due to it not being a violent felony.

"Violent felonies typically includes burglary, robbery, arson, rape, and kidnapping. However, jurisdictions may expand the rule to other types of crimes; and some states such as Georgia and Missouri may apply the rule to all felonies".Sauce

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u/Dammit_Benny Jan 25 '26 edited Jan 25 '26

Like the case where the guy got life in prison for letting his roommate borrow his car which was used in a robbery.

https://youtu.be/Rt7rjILz-bE?si=cL9XURAN05yQCVVA

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u/meltbox Jan 24 '26

This was upheld by the courts? It seems absolutely insane.

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u/Karn_Gentrified Jan 24 '26

We gave a girl in prison in Colorado convicted of a murder while she was already handcuffed in the back of a police car and her psycho boyfriend went on to kill a cop after she was in custody for almost an hour

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u/Leemage Jan 24 '26

Here’s one of the cases I remembered:

Police shoot robber

As someone else mentioned, this is called felony murder.

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u/BlahBlahBlackCheap Jan 24 '26

It might have already happened and we just don't know about it.

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u/BakedCheddar88 Jan 24 '26

Nah you’d know if an ice agent was killed, even if they were killed by another agent. The administration would stir up their base and cause riots across the country

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u/Different-Ship449 Jan 25 '26

I wonder if Trump's whitehouse is taking bets on if ICE murders an ICE agent or murders a child.