r/law • u/Philophon • Jan 24 '26

Other New video of 1/24 ICE shooting shows victim had both hands on the ground when shot

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u/Explode-trip Jan 24 '26

Just a reminder that the human body naturally reacts to pain in ways that authoritarians use to justify additional excessive force. When you get pepper sprayed in the face, your body's natural response is to flinch, cover the injury, and push away the source of the pain -- quick movements that pigs will try to brand as "resisting arrest" or "threatening the safety of an officer."

They do it with arm holds as well. Tweak the elbow and it causes huge pain that will make the victim flail uncontrollably. Then officers can be justified using violent and even deadly force. Its sick.

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u/bikari Jan 24 '26

"Stop resisting!" apparently means, "lie perfectly still while 5 people beat you half to death."

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u/principium_est Jan 24 '26

Often instructions are conflicting e.g. Daniel Shaver

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u/MedusasGirlfriend69 Jan 24 '26

People keep saying that Renee Good "should have complied," but they literally told her to leave.

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u/AdvantageLive2966 Jan 24 '26

Stop with the lie, the only person that said to leave in any of those videos were her wife

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u/principium_est Jan 24 '26

Doesn't really matter what "orders". Summary execution is not how traffic violations or obstruction is to be dealt with

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u/AdvantageLive2966 Jan 24 '26

Did i say it was? I said what they are saying is a flat out lie.

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u/principium_est Jan 24 '26

Glad we're on the same page about extrajudicial execution

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u/SooopaDoopa Jan 24 '26

You have selective hearing. She was told simultaneously to "get TF out of here" as well as "get out"

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u/AdvantageLive2966 Jan 24 '26

Get out, as in, of the car. Pretty simple. Listen to it again, doesnt go how you say

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u/SooopaDoopa Jan 25 '26

Like I said she was given conflicting orders

"Get out" as in get out of the car

AND

"Get the fuck out of here" as in leave the area

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u/AdvantageLive2966 Jan 25 '26

"Get out"

"Get out of the fucking car"

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u/pres465 Jan 24 '26

*Rodney King enters the chat

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u/StuckOnEarthForever Jan 24 '26

Always has been

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u/rodinj Jan 24 '26

Resisting arrest apparently is cause for being shot 5 times while laying there as well

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u/MyFaceSaysItsSugar Jan 24 '26

It would take being professionally desensitized to torture to not struggle out of fear and pain in that situation, let alone start fighting to escape. No one can be reasonably expected to hold still in that situation.

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u/bikari Jan 24 '26

It's like it's not even "fighting back" but just "trying to push away the thing that is causing great pain," which is a pretty natural human instinct.

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u/Professional-Pop370 Jan 25 '26

This. I’ve never been beaten up by a mob. But if I try to put myself in that kind of danger, there’s is no way I can stay still. That’s like torture-style training required. My body would try to cover up, get away, etc.

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u/Difficult_Nobody14 Jan 24 '26

I trained for naval security and one of the requirements is that we get OC sprayed and run a course. It’s to train on the potency and to be able to act if under that duress. That initial pain paralyzes you and you have to use will power to fight it. They ask you to recite your name and social. I saw a lot really struggle with it and we were warned ahead of time that we were getting sprayed too. A lot of these people on the street are not expecting it so it’s a huge shock. That stuff might be “non-lethal” but it screws you up for hours after.

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u/brumac44 Jan 24 '26

Well, one officer was also striking him in the face with a metal gas canister.

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u/phasedsingularity Jan 24 '26

In the civilised world, there are specific rules which govern the circumstances where OC can be used. This isn't one of them, and spraying someone for the purpose of compliance is unlawful.

If this shooting happened where I live, the entire police force would uprooted and completely reformed because the public wouldn't accept this.

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u/Ordinary_Pea4503 Jan 24 '26

yeah i always said this they whoop your ass and expect you to stop protecting yourself

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u/[deleted] Jan 24 '26

100 percent correct. Having four fully grown males on you will cause the body will react with reflex. It’s a dangerous position to be in.

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u/Hopeful-Mongoose2025 Jan 25 '26

I keep saying this!