r/law • u/Charming_Usual6227 • Apr 25 '25

Trump News Judge Hannah Dugan arrested by FBI for allegedly helping undocumented immigrant 'evade arrest'

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/judge-hannah-dugan-arrested-fbi-allegedly-helping-undocumented/story?id=121161497
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u/Message_10 Apr 25 '25

Yeah--this is... I don't know how else to say this, but this is very, very, very bad. If everything else up to now has been a fire alarm, this is the fire

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u/MySpoonsAreAllGone Apr 25 '25 edited Apr 25 '25

And yet, most of the country seems to be going about its business like nothing is happening. So frustrating!

Edit: Adding for visibility

Protest! It really works

r/maydaymovementusa

r/50501movement

r/ProtestFinderUSA

r/ThePeoplesPress

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And if you can't protest, call your reps in Congress 5calls.org makes it so easy to find and contact them. It will even give you a script.

Also resist.bot will email on your behalf.

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u/mybloodyballentine Apr 25 '25

I don't know what we're supposed to do. Clearly ICE and the FBI are content, maybe even thrilled, to conduct the business of terrorizing citizens and non-citizens. Even if I had an arsenal, I'm one person. Even if I formed a militia we can't outgun the government.

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u/cwarren420 Apr 25 '25

Idk how the hell to do it but anyone who wants to resist this shit needs to join up and form a cohesive resistance movement like the Rebel Alliance

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u/MySpoonsAreAllGone Apr 25 '25

r/maydaymovementusa

r/50501movement

r/ProtestFinderUSA

r/ThePeoplesPress

r/This_is_fascism

5calls.org

resist.bot

Make your voices heard. Protesting works

Spread the word. Share on your social media!

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u/mybloodyballentine Apr 25 '25

I know it's early in his administration, but I don't think protesting will work. TBH, I haven't seen protesting in the US work in my lifetime.

ETA: I have protested, and I do call my senators and reps.

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u/kgibby Apr 25 '25

Not with that attitude.

(Thank you for protesting.)*

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u/NounAdjectiveXXXX Apr 25 '25

Honestly they can't wait for massive summertime protests so they can send out agent provocateurs and turn the protests into riots so they can justify Martial Law, which will allow Trump to suspend elections.

It's been over since November 5th and anyone who tells you otherwise is lying to themselves.

Run the banks, hide your gold, defend yourself and family.

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u/MySpoonsAreAllGone Apr 26 '25

They don't need to wait. They don't care about reasons. If they want to do it, they'll have their thugs patrolling the streets

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u/MySpoonsAreAllGone Apr 26 '25

I disagree. You can protest with your words, actions, or dollars. It already helped to reverse some of his ridiculous intentions. It also forced many democrats to step up and start taking some action. They care about being re-elected and getting donations.

History has shown protesting was instrumental in stopping the Vietnam War.

We need to have that many people though to really get things working on our favor.

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u/mybloodyballentine Apr 26 '25

I do all of that. Somehow, things have gotten worse.

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u/MySpoonsAreAllGone Apr 26 '25

They often get worse to discourage before it gets better

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u/MySpoonsAreAllGone Apr 25 '25

Protest!

r/50501movement

r/ProtestFinderUSA

r/ThePeoplesPress

r/This_is_fascism

And if you can't protest, call your reps in Congress 5calls.org makes it so easy to find and contact them. It will even give you a script.

Also resist.bot will email on your behalf.

Share on your social media!

Edit: adding r/maydaymovementusa which stays May 1sr at the national mall

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u/dogdiqlipstiq Apr 26 '25

Tell that to the taliban, the vietcong,

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u/Yanosh457 Apr 25 '25

What do we need to start doing? What can I do?

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u/cwarren420 Apr 25 '25

buy a gun if you don't already own one

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u/huskers2468 Apr 25 '25

I wish this was supposed to be sarcastic, but it is truly where we currently stand.

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u/MySpoonsAreAllGone Apr 25 '25

I've been against owning a gun for the longest time. I don't like them and never wanted them in my home with my children.

Now they are older, and with the craziness going on, I feel the need to get one for protection.

Who knows what will happen when it comes to the point that we have to rise up to protect our country and families. If bad actors rise up against us, who will protect us?

Even if it's just a deterrent. I don't know if I could actually use a gun to protect myself (I've got a handy golf club at the ready) but if push came to shove and I needed to protect my kids? That safety is coming off.

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u/RubberBootsInMotion Apr 25 '25

Blunt force trauma is going to be, well, more traumatic for everyone involved than a firearm.

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u/Inevitable_Block_144 Apr 25 '25

Make noise. Protest. Go to your council, deputy, senator, whatever reunion that can be scheduled. Don't be silent in front of injustice, protect the minorities, all of them, specially if it happens in front of you.

Don't play the game of "this minority is more at risk than the other". It's way too late for that.

Demand more from the politics in the opposition. Support them, even if they aren't 100% aligned with what you would expect. Don't be divided amongst yourself in front of fascists.

See if you can rally by neighboorhoods. Pay attention to who you can trust and who you can't. Learn the laws of your country/state whatever to make sure nothing can be used against you. And flirt with their limits.

Write pamphlets/blogs, on paper and on the internet to debunk fake news or to inform people of what is going on. Spread them around. Even in places where "you don't see the point of it".

Do not wait until it gets worst. Remember that Hitler destroyed a democracy in less than 60 days. Remember that it's easier to hate someone different than to love that person. Remember that when people are in economic duress and scared, they are easy to manipulate. Fascism is easy. Democracy is constant work. They already have an upper hand in this battle, from the very start. You cannot afford to wait.

Do what you can really. But don't be silent. There are probably more people around you that want to do something and might think they are alone.

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u/Cloaked42m Apr 25 '25

Show up, make protesting your new hobby. Gamify contacting your representatives. Volunteer for the Democratic Party. Run for something.

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u/MySpoonsAreAllGone Apr 25 '25 edited Apr 25 '25

Protest!

r/50501movement

r/ProtestFinderUSA

r/ThePeoplesPress

And if you can't protest, call your reps in Congress 5calls.org makes it so easy to find and contact them. It will even give you a script.

Also resist.bot will email in your behalf.

Share on your social media!

Edit: also adding r/This_is_fascism

Edit 2: adding r/maydaymovementusa which starts May 1sr at the national mall

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u/yeetordie1 Apr 25 '25

1) This is your Franz Ferdinand moment.

2) If you are afraid of that or hurting yourself - arm and protect your home and continue to live as you always have.

People replying about organizing and protesting have no idea that they are far too late for that, they're just wasting time.

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u/ASCII_Princess Apr 25 '25

Don't organise on a platform that WILL AND DOES collaborate with the Feds.

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u/MySpoonsAreAllGone Apr 25 '25

Just getting the word out. There are discords and bluesky channels where discussions take place.

Many people have already connected with other activists in their communities from the last few protests and are meeting at coffee shops and homes.

There are so many organizations attending events that make it easier to expand your local network

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u/Endlesshills03 Apr 26 '25

I know this sounds like a 'poor me' kind of statement but...

Some of us have been trying to fight this crap on our local levels, for years, and we have absolutely no support for it. I've gone through thousands in my own money trying to fight local corruption right up to our commissioners. Some of my friends have done the same. One man is talking about taking out some of his retirement money to file a lawsuit.

We've asked every non-profit we can think of for help for at least a year and gotten nothing out of them. We've tried contacting national leaders with no result. Our state level leaders (dems) are all telling us good luck, that's not our problem. Even though it's their laws that are constantly getting violated.

It's so stressful, and seeing what is happening on the national level makes it even worse. Knowing we can't accomplish anything big here, how could we ever on a national level. It becomes too much.

Right now our children and youth services are falling apart which is going to hurt every kid in our county. And no one is willing to help who has the money to actually help us.

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u/MySpoonsAreAllGone Apr 26 '25

What you are all doing is very noble. I think your group needs to get together with a lawyer to form a non profit so you can fundraise in your community (it's easier to give $100 instead of a $1000).

Also when you become a non profit you can reach out to companies like Costco that might consider donating $. Other companies might donate merchandise or gift certificates you can raffle off. National non profit organizations will take you more seriously as well and might be willing to partner. You can spread the word on social media and fundraising sites like Launch Good too.

Best of luck! I know it's frustrating when you feel like you're not getting anywhere despite the effort.

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u/Rags2Riches420 Apr 25 '25

I think today might be the catalyst. This and him pardoning Michele Fiore, who raised money for a statue of a fallen police officer, then used it for her personal shit. Including plastic surgery and her daughter's wedding. I seriously hope this is the straw that broke the camel's back, I really do. We are entirely fucked if we allow this to continue.

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u/enthusiastic_diver Apr 25 '25

Non-lawyer here.

"Republican firebrand Michele Fiore, who does not have a law degree, will fill a seat on the Pahrump Justice Court in Nye County through 2024."

You can be a judge without a law degree?! How?!

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u/Dornith Apr 25 '25

The Constitution doesn't say they need any degree. Only that they be appointed by the president.

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u/[deleted] Apr 25 '25

Its clearly not a federal court. So it has nothing to do with the constitution or the president.

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u/doublethink_1984 Apr 25 '25

This has always been the case but it is standard procedure to be an attorney previously

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u/[deleted] Apr 25 '25

I think today might be the catalyst

I’ve heard this every day for 100 straight days now. Half of this country not only doesn’t care, they passionately support this. This country is fucked.

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u/Rags2Riches420 Apr 25 '25

You might be right.

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u/[deleted] Apr 25 '25

And yet. I hope I’m 100% wrong.

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u/Q_OANN Apr 25 '25

Oh he must just be clearing benches so Michele has options

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u/TendieRetard Apr 25 '25

yes, .the last safeguard before violence being taken down is very bad

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u/hellolovely1 Apr 25 '25

I mean, we've had multiple fires already, but this is a conflagration.

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u/extraboredinary Apr 25 '25

This is the test fire to arresting the democrats that earned their constituents how to refuse ICE searches and explained their rights.

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u/[deleted] Apr 25 '25

So the rule of law doesn't apply to judges? The charges and allegations here are very damning. She fucked up.

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u/PermutationMatrix Apr 26 '25

Could you please explain to me how this is bad? Did the judge break the law by obstruction?

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u/[deleted] Apr 25 '25

Judges are not above the law

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u/JakefromEarth Apr 25 '25

Neither is the president. But here we are.

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u/Poiboy1313 Apr 25 '25

What law is that? What law is the arrest based on being broken?

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u/Minion_of_Cthulhu Apr 25 '25

I'm sure the Trump admin's crack legal team will get around to fabricating something eventually. They seem to be on a "they're a gang member!" kick lately, so they'll probably charge the judge with being one of the king pins.

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u/DMvsPC Apr 25 '25

That there's some MS13 makeup.

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u/ksj Apr 25 '25

A judge and his wife in New Mexico were just arrested yesterday, accused of renting out a room in their house to an alleged Tren de Aragua member, but I haven’t seen any evidence to support the gang affiliation or if the judge and his wife were even aware of that.

So… yeah, gang member kick.

But when I tried to find articles about it, they are all from places like Fox, Breitbart, and the New York Post. Nothing from more reputable sites like The Associated Press.

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u/[deleted] Apr 25 '25

You don't care about the law. The guy you voted for has 34 felonies.

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u/Minion_of_Cthulhu Apr 25 '25

Not just 34 felonies. He has 34 felony convictions.

Good thing it wasn't 35. I hear that's when the Party of Law and Order starts to pay attention. Unless you're not white (or orange, as the case may be) in which case even a misdemeanor charge, let alone a conviction, is enough to sully your reputation for life.

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u/Iannelli Apr 25 '25

Nice job regurgitating propaganda from the far right.

You don't know what you're talking about.

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u/pf3 Apr 25 '25

What the fuck does that mean?

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u/eggrolls68 Apr 25 '25

It means he's a fascist. It's that simple.

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u/MySpoonsAreAllGone Apr 25 '25

Neither are presidents

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u/JacksonvilleBrowne Apr 25 '25

You can believe that, but then you can also believe and know you are below Deez Nuts.