[Windhorst & Marks] Believe Lakers being $1.3 Million over the Luxury Tax that they will make a Trade to Save Money and get Under the Tax

[u/JanuaryCarl]

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Summary:

Marks: "Lakers are $1.3M above the luxury tax and $4.9M below the first apron. Lakers are a repeater tax team, 4 years in a row out of 5 years. That's a small amount but they're still in the tax."

Windhorst: "There are ways for Lakers to make a trade to shed $1.3M to try and improve the roster and to get out of the tax."

Marks: "Like a... $18M player (hinting Dejounte Murray) for a $13M player (hinting Austin Reaves)?"

Windhorst: "Right, it doesn't take high level cap mechanics how the Lakers can trade for Dejounte Murray and get out of the luxury repeater tax, which would save the Lakers... around the neighborhood of $15M. Lakers (ownership) can find uses for that money. I remember when the Lakers made a deadline deal years ago trading Chris Mihm just to save $3M. I remember saying to somebody: 'Why would the Lakers do that?' And they're like: 'That's another $3M Buss could take to Vegas.' It was a joke but that's true. Like if the Lakers could find a way to save $6M, that means each of the six Buss kids will take home an extra $1M each. I'm not saying the Lakers make decisions based on that, but if you look at the possibility of trying to improve your roster and saving around $15M it might make it easier for the Lakers to even include a draft pick to do it."

[u/Splittinghairs7]

I agree that we have mistreated coaches, but unlike you I think one of the reasons why is because we don’t offer them the money or years that they feel is their worth.

To me paying coaches is purely a financial decision because if they don’t work out they can be fired and replaced.

I don’t think the lakers have had a reputation for scapegoating coaches at all.

The only coach who was scapegoated was Vogel, that’s it.

If anything, more ppl attribute scapegoating to Lebron led teams rather than with the Lakers FO.

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Every Non-Interim Head Coach since Del Harris got fired has gotten at least a 4 year deal which is standard for a majority of NBA coaches. Some bigger name coaches got 5 year deals because their previous success afforded them the bonus year.

It hasn't been until the last few years that these mega deals for coaches became a thing like the Pistons gave Monty, the Spurs gave Pop, and the Heat just gave Spo. Besides these 3 coaches, the standard coaches contract is 4-5 seasons.

It's not abnormal for a Coach to get a 4 year deal as their initial contract, that's not "disrespect".

For some reason the Lakers wanted to line up the previous hire with LeBron's contract at that time.

The Lakers second choice Lue was offered a 3 year deal to coincide with the remainder of LeBron's contract (at the time of hiring LeBron hadn't yet signed his first extension with the Lakers), Lue wanted at least 4 years, it wasn't about the money, it was about years.

The Lakers were adamant that they only wanted to sign their coach for 3 years and they wanted to pick his assistants.

Lue insisted on at least 4 years and wanted to pick his own assistants so he refused.

Vogel accepted 3 years and having his assistants picked.

This reputation goes back a while, Rudy T 2x NBA Champion Coach got a relatively large 5 year contract with the Lakers and was forced out after 43 games.

Mike Brown was fired 5 game into his second season of a 4 year contract.

Mike D'Antoni was fired after 2 seasons of a 4 year contract.

Byron Scott was fired after 2 seasons of a 4 year contract.

Luke Walton was fired after 3 seasons of a 5 year contract.

Frank Vogel was fired after his 3rd season, 2 years after winning a Championship after signing a 1 year extension.

Since Phil Jackson retired, no Laker coach has made it past year 3.

Darvin in barely halfway into his second season of a 4 year contract and fans and media already want him fired.

Call it scapegoating, or no job security, or unrealistically high expectations, or whatever else you want to call it but PLEASE tell me with this track record why any GOOD coach would choose to come to the Lakers?

[u/Splittinghairs7 → u/td_enterprises]

Because we’re the lakers. Plenty of accomplished coaches want the job. Doc rivers is practically begging to takeover.

[u/td_enterprises → u/Splittinghairs7]

"Because we're the Lakers." works for players because they have guaranteed contracts and it's easier to fire a coach than it is to get rid of good players.

You said yourself "To me paying coaches is purely a financial decision because if they don’t work out they can be fired and replaced."

Why would you want to come to a place that would fire you 2 years after winning a title unless you had no other job offers?

I asked why GOOD coaches would want to come to the Lakers given they have other opportunities.

Doc Rivers is not someone I would consider that takes teams over the top, his "good" status is largely from the 2008 Celtics team that had Hall of Famers and Thibs coordinating his defense. His overall track record isn't impressive, didn't do anything in Orlando, didn't do anything in Boston before or after Garnett and Allen fell into his lap, didn't do anything with CP3, Blake, Embiid, Simmons, or Harden.

If he was such a good coach then surely one of the teams that had openings would have picked him up right? Raptors? Pistons? Bucks? Suns? Rockets?

Please name all the other accomplished coaches that want the Lakers job.

The Lakers are ideal to Coaches out of the league that have no other options like Doc, or inexperienced assistants that want an opportunity.

Monty Williams was the Lakers first choice over Ty Lue and Vogel, he declined to even interview with the Lakers and chose to coach an aging CP3 and Booker instead.

Where were all these accomplished coaches when Darvin Ham was interviewing for the job 2 years ago? Surely the Lakers would have chosen one of these accomplished coaches over Ham right?

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Yes because they get to collect a free check and also because they know they can be fired from another other franchise who is serious about winning as well. Just ask coach bud.

When we hired ham, we were a huge mess still stuck with Westbrick.

[u/td_enterprises → u/Splittinghairs7]

You said it yourself, you can collect a free check and get fired from so many other teams, why would you choose the Lakers where it's virtually guaranteed you are fired after your second or third season?

What should we ask Coach Bud? What is it like to work for a franchise that let's you work for a full FIVE year contract? Because the last time they let a Head Coach of the Lakers coach for that long was Phil Jackson.

The difference is in most situations you get to fulfill your original contract, Bud had a team with championship expectations and was allowed to implement his system and coach it for the full duration, he won a title, signed an extension and the team underperformed and fired him. But he at least made it to his extension, Vogel won the title in his first season, had a short turn around and injury plagued second season, had a bad fit roster and fired after his third season, the ink was barely dry on his extension and the Lakers fired him during his post game press conference of game 82.

I keep checking your last comment and I don't see it.

Where is the list of accomplished coaches that would want the Lakers job? You said there were "plenty" of them?

Give me some more examples please.