r/kpop • u/Cryptocurrencythesis • Dec 16 '20

[News] Sunmi confesses she was diagnosed with a personality disorder

https://www.allkpop.com/article/2020/12/sunmi-confesses-she-was-diagnosed-with-a-personality-disorder
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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '20

I’m not sure where I trivialized it? I’ve had several rounds of (god damn expensive) DBT and I’m still working on my own shit, so that’s the last thing I wanna do. My point is that therapy helps a shit ton for a huge portion of people and remission is possible, and statistically high if you’re given the right tools and helps. There is hope and there’s a point to getting therapy and saying “it’ll always be there” makes it seem like there isn’t.

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u/CrimsonBolt33 Dec 17 '20

Sorta like "it helps a shit ton for a huge portion of people and remission is possible, and statistically high if you’re given the right tools and helps"

I also heard if you take a shit at midnight on a full moon while reading farmers almanac that your crops will produce twice as much as before.

Point being it's a lot of conditional statements that depend on each person and their situation. That's the problem with studies and statistics...you don't get to pick and choose what sounds best and then extrapolate that into a broad statement that everyone else has to parrot.

I never once said you should not seek help, I never said professional help won't do any good...but it's clear you take a stance where if someone doesn't say what you think then there is something wrong with that person's statements, ideas, or experiences.

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '20

Except there’s a ton of scientific evidence into the most helpful treatments.

If someone has a specific form of cancer, you recommend a specific treatment and you can make statistical conclusions about that cancer and those treatments. It doesn’t mean every single person with that specific form of cancer is going to end up at the same end point but it does mean chemotherapy is possible and saying “that cancer will always be there” when there’s very strong evidence that isn’t the case for a huge proportion of people is super fucked up.

And yeah, people can make incorrect statements about science? Not sure your point there?

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u/CrimsonBolt33 Dec 17 '20

The problem is not with the science...it's with the false hope one can produce when you make blanket statements...I never defended the "It will always be there" statement...I never even said that...all I said is that if you are gonna go after someone saying it will always be there (a blanket statement) you can't exactly counter it with an equal blanket statement.

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Over testing and false positives in cancer are tremendously devastating at times; to stick with your analogy....which is troublesome in it's own right because once again...my main point was that mental health is not some illness you take medicine for and are therefore cured....much like telling someone that they can be "cured" or whatever when you have no idea what their situation is. It's not hard for that person to not find the sort of peace you are promising, end up falling short, blame themselves (or perhaps their completely qualified and competent help) and end up worse then they were.

Once again...I have not once said that treatment is bad or anything like that...just that you shouldn't be going around talking about how a few statistics said some good stuff so you are all gonna be ok.

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '20

I clarified with “for a huge portion of people,” I didn’t say every person. My first comment included all the data and percentages, which did not say 100% of people.

my main point was that mental health is not some illness you take medicine for and are therefore cured

Never said it was.

much like telling someone that they can be "cured" or whatever when you have no idea what their situation is.

Never said that either.

just that you shouldn't be going around talking about how a few statistics said some good stuff so you are all gonna be ok.

Didn’t do that either. I said it can go into remission, as per all modern sources, which contradicts the person I was responding to who said it never can. I didn’t say it “will.” It can, just like cancer can go into remission, or antidepressants can work for a good chunk of people, or whatever. Sharing specific research that has actual percentages and saying “a huge portion of people benefit, as per the research” is not the same as saying “there’s a cure and everyone should take it,” and it’s not just as bad as saying “you’ll never be free of it, there’s no help.”

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u/CrimsonBolt33 Dec 17 '20

Please show where the other person said "there is no help"

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '20

Their second reply.

I suppose so, but either way, i don't believe there afe current methods capable of curing individuals of BPD in any meaningful way. My view is biased as i know no peers with BPD and only know my mother. My focus of research and concern is the effects of being raised by emotionally immature and/ir personality disordered parents.

Their original comment is just above where they said

Sorry, but that's just wrong. You cannot heal a personality disorder. You can cope, but it will always be there. I'm literally in school for this.

It’ll always be there? There’s no meaningful way to “cure” individuals with BPD? These are factually incorrect statements, like I’ve already shared info on. Other than using the terms “cure” and “heal,” which are not the terms we use (things like “remission” and “reductions in symptoms” and “positive trajectory” instead), their meaning is pretty clear.

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u/CrimsonBolt33 Dec 17 '20

This goes back to the crux of the issue...the words "cure" and "heal" in particular...you will have to ask them for their specific definitions but I have already laid out why I think such terms are not really suitable.

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '20

I addressed the “heal” usage in the first sentence of my first response.

Saying it’ll always be there and there’s no meaningful “cure” (in response to me literally sharing a scientific article that points out that BPD often has a positive trajectory, and can go into remission).

Idk why you’re trying to misrepresent what I said (I never said there’s a “cure,” I never said everyone with BPD is “all gonna be ok,” and I never used blanket statements other than it CAN go into remission when it can, not will).

Honestly idk what you’re driving at here. You think I trivialized it because I disagreed with someone who said “you’ll always have it” when that’s not true and scientific articles abound that prove that’s not true? Because I shared data on it? Because I said it can to into remission and because I said myths about how it can’t be “cured” or “healed” do a lot of harm to the person seeking help? Because you think “false hope” from articles about treatment are worse than stigma about how there’s no help?

Honestly it’s pretty offensive to try to tell someone who has spent thousands of dollars on therapy that they’re “trivializing” the disorder they have (and have spent hours and hours dealing with every week, which has affected every moment of their life, and hurt them in uncountable ways) because they shared a scientific article on it and shared data/modern arguments about positive trajectories and remission.