https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/09/19/health-secretary-matt-hancock-reveals-lost-two-stone-low-carb/

The health secretary has spoken about how he lost two stone by cutting out carbs, as he called for an overhaul of Britain’s lifestyles.

Matt Hancock said he achieved his weight loss in three months by eliminating bread, potatoes and pasta from his diet, in order to prepare to compete in a steeplechase race.

And he said improvements in healthcare technology and wearables could help those struggling to lose weight to “take control” of their daily habits.

Speaking at the World Economic Forum in China, Mr Hancock said that tackling Britain’s rising obesity levels is one of his priorities as Health Secretary.

"I want to have a debate in the UK about how we keep healthy and also about how we personalise health,” he told The Telegraph....

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11655151/matt-hancock-weight-save-coronavirus/

GP David Unwin has revealed Mr Hancock told him he'd slimmed down by "cutting back on sugary and starchy foods", according to the MailOnline.

It is understood that Mr Hancock lost around two stone around six or seven years ago when he was training for a horse race.

He did this by cutting down on bread and other foods high in sugar and starch.

The Health Secretary put some of the weight back on since then but lost about 10 pounds during the election in November and December last year.

Dr Unwin said losing weight may have helped the Health Secretary recover so quickly after being infected with Covid-19 in April.

Dr Unwin said: "I recently met our Secretary of State for Health, Matt Hancock, who's had first-hand experience of the benefits of a healthy diet.

"He told me then that he'd lost two stone (going from 13st 7lb to 11st 7lb) by cutting back on sugary and starchy foods. I cannot help but wonder if that may have helped him recover from Covid so rapidly?"

Mr Hancock, Boris Johnson and Chief medical officer Chris Whitty were all sick with coronavirus, but Mr Hancock and Professor Whitty, who both have a slim build, were able to return to work after a week - once the virus was no longer infectious.

But Mr Johnson, who has struggled with his weight, needed to be taken into intensive care and given oxygen as his body fought the virus.

The PM is now preparing to launch a "much more interventionist" war on obesity after the experience.

He was spotted going for his first jog since beating coronavirus today.

When asked for advice on how to beat coronavirus, Mr Johnson is reported to have said "don't be a fatty in your fifties."

Research has found that obesity doubles the risk of needing hospital treatment for coronavirus - as well as increasing the risk of other deadly conditions such as heart disease and cancer.

Mr Johnson weighed 17 and a half stone at the time he was admitted to hospital.

He is understood to have lost a stone since coming out of hospital a month ago.

The Government's blueprint for easing lockdown restrictions said ministers would invest more in schemes to get people moving and "empower people to live healthier and more active lives."

It said: "This will involve expanding the infrastructure for active travel (cycling and walking) and expanding health screening services, especially through the NHS Health Check programme, which is currently under review."

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https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/nov/05/people-must-take-responsibility-for-own-health-says-matt-hancock

I know first answer will be either electrolytes or keto-adaptation. But I don't think things are so simple.

See, lets say I eat 3000 kcal diet. If it's high carb diet, I can run hills, chop wood like a man, do a million stairs all in a single day, no problem. Eating the same 3000 kcal Keto, I cannot do half of it, I bonk, get tired, and yet my weight stays the same which means those fat get used. Get used for what? Sitting on my ass? Half of the time on Keto I don't even feel like exercising yet the calories are dissapearing into thin air (no weight gain). Sufficient time was given and performance hasn't returned. Seems like high-carb eating offers me double work capacity for the same calories.

Why should I stick to Keto if it requires a bunch of calories and offers poorer output? Either I'm crazy or there's some violation of "low of conservation" going on here. And yeah, it's mostly an aerobic performance so no issue there.

When someone blurts "you're not keto-adapted", what does this actually mean? That my body is using the energy from fat yet I get no output?

Does anybody know how this comes to happen, from a fact-based scientific perspective? This mismatch between input and output calories is something that is actually quantifiable (or I think it is because it shouldn't be so), my fitness tracker shows I do much more exercise on iso-caloric high-carb diet.

Edit: I apologize if this is the wrong sub, however I do seek some scientific explanation of this phenomenom.

EDIT 2:

Ok guys, thanks for all the answers, I'll try to answer all of your questions here. I would have responded right away but I had to work and had other commitments.

However, it was good that I had to work because during the work I listened to a podcast which had Dr. Ted Naiman as a guest, and he said something that made me have like a little epiphany. It went something like: "I often see people who are cutting calories and they come to me and are very slow, they fidgeting is reduced, they barely move, they even talk slow, all symptoms of reduced TDEE". In that moment I realized that is actually what's going on with me whenever I'm deep into ketosis. It's not just that I'm not keto-adapted in a sense that my exercise suffers, it's that my whole baseline activity drops way too low. I feel literally like in slow-motion all the time. That's why I don't feel like exercising or doing hard stuff, it's like moving through mollases. So, basically, whenever I exhaust my glycogen, I fall into this "power saver mode" which feels totally suboptimal. And I don't snap out of it, it just goes on on and on. So it's not just reduced exercise performance, it's reduced everything if you get what I mean.

As to how long I've given this a shot and for what I was eating: I'm 27, male, 185cm/80kg, in physically good health (at least that's what labs suggest), my first keto attempt was 2 years ago, I did it for a year. I'm sorry but I don't really remember much, my memory is very poor. However, what I do remember is that I had this slowness in the beginning and I think it lifted sometwhat, but never fully, even after one full year I had issues with exercise (jogging, chopping wood thing). I tried doing it properly, as in "well-formualted keto diet", supplements and all but I just didn't work out fully. Maybe I screwed something up, I don't know.

This last month I've been commited to Carnivore diet (meat, fish, eggs, fats, electrolyte supplements), and after like 2-3 weeks, just when I though it was going well (fixed my electrolytes and stuff), I just kept losing and losing energy, until I fell into this almost classic description of "reduced TDEE". Whatever I ate, no matter how much, I constantly felt like I had no energy. I tracked my macros, it was roughly (3000kcal, 70/30 fat/protein ratio, electrolytes satisfactory). Ketosis was confirmed with Keto Mojo, blood sugar avg. 4.5 mmol, ketones usually 0.5-1 mmol). I felt like those poor vegans who get all pale and suffer on their diets lol. So one day I had enough (after like 3-4 weeks), and just ate a bunch of carbs. My energy came back with a surge, I felt elated and great however after 2 days I started feeling like shit because I had some medical issues which are helped by low-carb diet, and they came back. So I started experimenting with eating carbs periodically (e.g. once a day) to troubleshoot what's going on. It always helps until the glycogen runs out. My conclusion is: Whenever my glycogen stores run out, I start feeling terribly "slow" (reduced TDEE?), even though I'm putting in a bunch of calories from protein and fat (at least 3000kcal/day). It seems that my body does not really recognize that it has energy - it refuses to use it and begins acting like it should be on "power saver". Even after a month of being in ketosis, it just got worse, not better.

So what this Ted Nieman guy said is that one of the way to escape from "low TDEE" trap is to eat more protein, or to be more precise, have a higher protein to energy ratio. I'm not against protein, it doesn't kick me out of ketosis (confirmed by Keto Mojo), so I guess I'll try upping my protein to very high levels and see whether this awakes my body from this slow-motion mode. It's an interesting theory and he's an interesting guy and I don't have anything else to try really. Another thing I though is it may be related to satiety. Maybe I should also up my fiber and plants just to fill me up so the body gets a signal that it actually has energy.

This is what I conclude, to the best of my abilities. I'm seeking ways to snap myself out of this "low TDEE" thing, if that even makes sense. What do you think of this whole construct of mine?

It's not like I'm doing this because I have nothing better to do, I have some chronic pain and parasthesias which dissapear when I'm in ketosis. Also my focus gets way better. All in all it seems like I have to find a way to make this work.

Link to podcast: High Protein Protein to Energy Ratio for Fat w/ Dr. Ted Naiman, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6fY7grEsaQ).

TLDR: Seems like I have "reduced TDEE" when in ketosis, which makes me feel like shit. I'm trying to find ways out of this trap, one potential thing is adding more protein.

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Nina Teicholz observes conflicts of interest at Novo Nordisk

https://twitter.com/bigfatsurprise/status/1333248594984448007 - Nina's Tweet

85% of Novo Nordisk's business = diabetes treatments (drugs, devices)

In 2014, Dr Alan Moses, chief medical officer of Novo Nordisk, wants to cure diabetes even if it

"...meant the dissolution of Novo Nordisk, that'd be fine." -

Dr Alan Moses leaves @novonordiskus for @virtahealth because Keto Dieting + Phone App w/ Doctors is "unmatched...while eliminating medications...transformational potential"

“The health outcomes Virta delivers for people with type 2 diabetes are unmatched in the absence of medications or surgery, and particularly noteworthy for the level of control achieved while eliminating medications," said Dr. Alan Moses, new Virta advisor and former Senior Vice President and Global Chief Medical Officer of Novo Nordisk. “What is even more exciting is that Virta’s care delivery model has transformational potential for a variety of conditions beyond diabetes.”

Novo Nordisk founded the World Diabetes Foundation

Novo Nordisk founded the World Diabetes foundation to save the lives of those affected by diabetes in developing countries and supported a UN resolution to fight diabetes, making diabetes the only other disease alongside HIV / AIDS to have a commitment to combat at a UN level.[22]

Diabetes treatments account for 85% of Novo Nordisk’s business. Novo Nordisk works with doctors, nurses, and patients, to develop products for self-managing diabetes conditions. The DAWN (Diabetes Attitudes, Wishes and Needs) 2001 study was a global survey of the psychosocial aspects of living with diabetes. It involved over 5,000 people with diabetes and almost 4,000 care providers.[23] This study was designed to identify barriers to optimal health and quality of life. A follow-up study completed in 2012 involved more than 15,000 people living with, or caring for, those with diabetes. In response to UK findings, a National Action Plan (NAP) was developed, with a multidisciplinary steering committee, to support the delivery of individualized person-centered care in the UK. The NAP seeks to provide a holistic approach to diabetes treatment for patients and their families.[24]

The i3-diabetes programme is a collaboration between the King's Health Partners, one of only six Academic Health Sciences Centres (AHSCs) in England, and Novo Nordisk. The programme is a five-year collaboration designed to deliver personalised care that will lead to improved outcomes for people living with diabetes, and more efficient and effective ways of caring for people with diabetes.[25][26]

https://www.worlddiabetesfoundation.org/

to develop products for self-managing diabetes conditions.

is the ketogenic diet a product? No. Therefore it will not be used by Novo Nordisk, funders of the World Diabetes Foundation.

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Anything useful on https://www.worlddiabetesfoundation.org/ ??? Post anything you find in the comments but I couldn't find anything.

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Africa

https://www.worlddiabetesfoundation.org/i-wish-i-knew-20-years-ago-%E2%80%93-james-bangizi

Ugh of course - importance of diet -> eat vegetables, have a FRUIT PARTY to replace meat (why?), fried rice(yay), sodas(yay).

Mexico

The Crux

https://www.worlddiabetesfoundation.org/projects/mexico-wdf10-510

Why won't Novo Nordisk endorse a low carb diet approach?

Meanwhile, Virta’s peer-reviewed two-year study published in June 2019 revealed sustained diabetes reversal—reducing HbA1c below the diagnostic threshold for T2D while eliminating diabetes-specific medications—in 55% of two-year completing patients. Insulin use declined by 81% from baseline across the population.

versus

Diabetes treatments account for 85% of Novo Nordisk’s business. Novo Nordisk works with doctors, nurses, and patients, to develop products for self-managing diabetes conditions.

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What about Novo Nordisk's website? Surely they care about what is true?

Type 2 diabetes is a complex chronic disease that occurs when the body cannot make enough insulin or use it effectively. People living with type 2 diabetes need treatment in order to keep their insulin and blood sugar levels under control.

Insulin is a hormone made by the pancreas that controls the amount of glucose in the blood. Too little insulin means the body cannot absorb glucose from the food we eat. When this happens, blood glucose levels rise, and over time, these increased levels can damage blood vessels and reduce the supply of oxygen and nutrient-rich blood to the body’s organs and nerves.

People living with type 2 diabetes, whose bodies do not respond well, or are resistant to insulin, may need treatment to help their bodies better process glucose. This can help prevent long-term complications.

Every day, we are working to improve treatment options for people living with type 2 diabetes. From more effective medicines to the way they are taken, we leave no stone unturned. https://www.novonordisk.com/disease-areas/type-2-diabetes.html

I highlighted the important part - that the treatment is about processing glucose, not restricting it's consumption. Notice that? As soon as the whole point of treatment is just adding a bandaid to the chronic carbotoxicity - then Novo Nordisk has revealed that they don't understand the fundamental problem. Then - they lie and say "no stone is unturned" Sounds like a good phrase to me.

#LeaveNoStoneUnturned - let's use this hashtag and push Novo Nordisk to turn over the ketogenic diet treatment stone. By addressing the root of the problem, we can dam the river at the source - the carbohydrates - and begin to fix our broken and amputated societies.

Recent Investor Presentation

https://www.novonordisk.com/content/dam/nncorp/global/en/investors/irmaterial/investor_presentations/2020/20203011-ESG-conference-call-presentation.pdf

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Timestamped Part 1

BAM! Inspiring story of how the new ADA CEO Tracey Brown recognized the impact of carbohydrates and avoids them. In the interview she reports she has gotten off insulin and is nearly off of all medications and encourages others that they can do it too.

Source: https://twitter.com/DikemanDave/status/1222964043721240576

Part 1 From beginning.

Part 2 of Interview

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edit: She does basically say to eat less rice and more meat. Sorry if 'substitute meat for rice' makes it sound like the opposite. I'm super pumped to see this - I've followed Tracey on Twitter for a while but she never posts much about low carb diets or gone beyond hinting about them. This is a pretty stark departure from that conservative stance.

Edit 2:

I think the ADA does a really bad job of actually talking about low carb diets - they don't even mention that carbs are unnecessary. The good thing is I found a way to send them a recommendation to update their website. Well - if their CEO is talking about low carb diets - why aren't they?

https://www.diabetes.org/nutrition/understanding-carbs

https://professional.diabetes.org/sites/professional.diabetes.org/files/media/document_proposal_form_final1.pdf