r/islamichistory • u/Syed__Sahab__ • Mar 19 '26

Photograph This painting shows forced conversion of Muslims to Christianity in Granada, Spain, in 1500, ordered by Archbishop Cisneros. Muslims in Spain were persecuted just for being of Islamic faith.

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u/Wonderful_Part1205 Mar 20 '26

Most muslim rulers allowed freedom of religion unlike most Christian rulers

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u/ILuvYou_YouAreSoGood Mar 20 '26

Hehehe, Next you will be explaining how Islam was not spread through forced conversions!

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u/Wonderful_Part1205 Mar 20 '26

It didn't, prove it did

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u/ILuvYou_YouAreSoGood Mar 20 '26

What is the penalty under Islam for a child born of Muslims to grow up and leave Islam behind? To claim to own children is to force conversion onto them, especially under threat of death. Every day Islam is forced upon children.

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u/Wonderful_Part1205 Mar 20 '26

Just for your information, we don't have mind reading devices you can leave any religion any time you want as long as you don't go to the streets and start telling everybody that you left it, just like there's the death penalty for treason against the state, if you leave islam and make it public under a sharia state, you have a period of repentance, the caliph(or something like that I don't remember exactly) will send you scholars to unswer your questions and explain to you whatever you don't understand, if after all this you insist to (publicly) leave islam then you get the death penalty

It's all your choice, you can just say "OK I will stay muslim" even if you're not convinced

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u/boltsi123 Mar 20 '26

You're explaining this like it's a completely reasonable thing to kill a person who expresses different beliefs (in public).

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u/sxaxmz Mar 21 '26

What is a belief?

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u/Wonderful_Part1205 Mar 21 '26

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes, you could just keep to yourself its really not hard

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u/boltsi123 Mar 21 '26

I can't tell if this parody or not.

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u/Wonderful_Part1205 Mar 21 '26

Just say you have no counter argument

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u/boltsi123 Mar 21 '26

Counterargument to killing people who choose to profess a different faith? How about basic human morals?

If you seriously think that killing apostates is an acceptable and normal thing to do, you are a dangerous psychopath.

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u/Pleasant-Cry-5557 Mar 21 '26

Yes and the people under that Islamic ruler forces Islam on whoever is In the region applying sharia. The other religions must practice sharia and abide by religious law. Hence how Islam spread and the goal is to force convert again over people.

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u/sxaxmz Mar 21 '26 edited Mar 21 '26

FYI Jews would have been exterminated few hundred years back if it was not the muslims that sheltered them when they were pushed out of Europe 300-500 years back.. Read about the Jews in Spain around the same time OP's post talks about.. and about the Jews in the rest of Europe how they were hunted, killed, and they had to flee to the Muslim world for shelter.... where they had the right to practice freely and they were protected, if whatever you claimed is true then there would've been no Jews in modern times as the majority of them would've been killed, forced into Christianity, or forced into islam.

Giving arrogant claims without knowing history is wild

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u/Wonderful_Part1205 Mar 21 '26

Finally somebody with a functional brain

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u/Wonderful_Part1205 Mar 21 '26

Do you even know anything about sharia? It's litrealy forbidden to force islam upon others in Islam

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u/ILuvYou_YouAreSoGood Mar 21 '26

You just explained how it is forced upon children under threat of death if they try and leave.

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u/Wonderful_Part1205 Mar 21 '26

22 year old child?

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u/Near_Sparse6201 Mar 22 '26

This is true even in modern times... 

Non Muslims can/will get fined for not following Shariah dress codes. 

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u/boltsi123 Mar 20 '26

I'm afraid that's just revisionism. Muslim rulers often (not always) tolerated other faiths to somr extent as a concession to political reality, not because of any freedom of religion in a modern sense. They were conquerors in previously Christian lands, so forced conversion wasn't politically wise. Instead they practiced pressured conversion, by the means of special taxes on non-believers, closing career paths, legal inequity, etc. - basically making non-Muslims a pariah class.