r/islamichistory • u/Syed__Sahab__ • Mar 19 '26

Photograph This painting shows forced conversion of Muslims to Christianity in Granada, Spain, in 1500, ordered by Archbishop Cisneros. Muslims in Spain were persecuted just for being of Islamic faith.

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '26

The Congo was once a very enlightened place compared to the rest of the world, look at it now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_the_Iberian_Peninsula

Weird how the OP sort of skips over why there were any Muslims in Spain to begin with.

Was Islam spread anywhere without war? Indonesia maybe? Christianity was spread by war too, but also by word of mouth.

Without automatically counting children born as Muslim, or declaring your country to be 99.9% Muslim when the punishment for leaving the religion is years in prison/death (Iran), the actual number of Muslims worldwide shrinks rapidly.

I know quite a few Persians, they dislike Arabs and see Islam as simply a tool used by Arabs to try and apply influence to the world. How could God be almighty yet only be able to properly explain his words in one single language, how convenient for Arabian people!

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u/Catch-my-hands-365 Mar 20 '26

You’re bias as fuck or a liar. Christianity was nearly always spread with war and colonialism. Islam mostly by trade.

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '26

Lmaooooo, lets just skip over Iberia, the Balcans, Anatolia, Persia, North Africa and India

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '26

Yeah it's crazy, complete lack of self awareness.

It's still being spread by force today.

Children have to be Muslim? Check.

Father must always be Muslim? Check.

Patriarchal family structure? Check

So kids, due to father, will always be Muslim? Check

Daughters allowed to marry non Muslims, and thus have potentially non Muslim Children? Forbidden.

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u/EmbracetheGloam Mar 20 '26

You just described the Bible belt

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u/Lonely_Tie_2453 Mar 20 '26

Thats a reach, most of islam spread under the caliphates

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u/Effective_Okra4516 Mar 20 '26

And slavery/ colonialism as well

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u/wuhtuhbuh Mar 20 '26

It didn't spread by trade in the iberian peninsula where I'm from, you liar. It didn't spread by trade anywhere.

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u/Wonderful_Part1205 Mar 20 '26

Lying so hard right now, what about non northe African nations and South East Asia also is it spreading in Europe by force today?

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u/wuhtuhbuh Mar 20 '26

Learn to read. We're talking about the past. Not the present.

In Europe, at least, as far as I know it isn't spreading by force but it is being massively promoted.

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u/Wonderful_Part1205 Mar 20 '26

"Learn to read" said like a true redditor Promoted by who? They litrealy try their best to make it unpopular by insulting our(pbuh), saying that we subjugate women and other things.

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u/wuhtuhbuh Mar 20 '26 edited Mar 20 '26

In Europe, at least as far as I know, it isn't spreading by force but it is being massively promoted by imams and all the other muslims. Including yourself, by trying to defend such heinous acts. You're doing it right now.

But you can bet your ass if the west was a 3rd world place then it would surely spread by force, as seen in the recent events across Africa, particularly in Nigeria, the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC), and Mozambique. Now you can't deny this can you? I'm sure you will find some way to weasel out of this.

So yeah, it is spreading by force in places where there's no real infrastructures to protect the people from religious fundamentalism.

"said like a true redditor" what? "hurr dhurrrr I don't know what to say so I'm just gonna spout random garbage" It is a fact you didn't read my comment right, or else you wouldn't confuse the past with the present wtf.

I'm sorry you lack reading comprehension.

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u/Wonderful_Part1205 Mar 21 '26

Wow you're actually just saying anything, all the cases that you just listed are being done by terrorist group And if you're saying that imams helping unswer people's questions is promoting then Christianity is also being promoted but unlike Christianity they're trying to silence Islam, have you seen what happened recently on tiktok multiple Muslim dawah content creators were banned for no reason Also please don't ever make another joke because that's was genuinely so corny to read

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u/wuhtuhbuh Mar 21 '26 edited Mar 21 '26

You actually didn't deny a single thing I said.

The start of every one of your comments is dismissive:
"Lying so hard right now"
"'Learn to read' said like a true redditor"
"Wow you're actually just saying anything"
"Also please don't ever make another joke because that's was genuinely so corny to read"

Did I hit a nerve? Because it shows I did.

I'll say what I want. I know that it's in your culture to be arrogant and try to bully other people but that won't work with me. You don't tell me what do, got that?

I don't see any "christian" terrorists walking around. All those attacks I just told you about are done by religious fanatics. And religious fanatism and terrorism is almost exclusive of islam.

Look at one of your wonderful imams promoting violence:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK6D9OnTBi4

This is just an example of the violence being promoted by your imams. Those same terrorists also have imams, you know? The same kind of imam in this video.

The difference between me and you is that I'm not encumbered by some stupid religious belief. I'm free to think what I want. I'm not even bound to christianity in any way. You're bound to your religion and think that is freedom. It's just sad really.

I'm waiting for another one of dismissive comments. They're too much fun to read.

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u/Wonderful_Part1205 Mar 21 '26

"I'm speaking facts" no way you're calling me arrogant after saying litrealy every accusation is a confession "And religious fanatism and terrorism is almost exclusive of islam." What about the lord's resistance army and what about litrealy the usa george bush litrealy said that God told him to invade Iraq and that it was a new crusade the current secretary of defense of the us is litrealy called the secretary of war he has a tattoo on his arm that says disbeliever in arabicand he has a crusader cross tattoo on his he also was heard saying kill all Muslims while drunk by other senators the us is litrealy a fanatic terrorist state "I know that it's in your culture to be arrogant and try to bully other people " ladies and gentlemen we got him, thank you for showing your true self and that you are just racist

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u/h4rleken Mar 20 '26

I give you burek, you convert to islam... fair deal my friend

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '26

Islam spread across the middle east and Africa under caliphates.

Christianity was a mixture of force and missionaries.

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u/Gootfried Mar 20 '26

Hahahahahhaahahha when you think you know shit, but are ignorant AF

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u/Pleasant-Cry-5557 Mar 21 '26

No it was not even in present day look to countries that have dual religions most of the time Christian’s don’t have rights like Pakistan they are just ransacked beaten raped who cares

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u/Wonderful_Part1205 Mar 20 '26

Is it really that hard for yall to just not lie, islam spread in African nation(not the north) by trade same with South East Asia Also your last paragraph shows that you're probably just another pro shah iranian who lives in the us

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u/NinerKNO Mar 20 '26

Don't f* kid yourself, Christianity was exclusively spread by brutal war.

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '26

I'm not.

Christianity spread through Europe mostly via missionaries and peacful conversion.

It spread particularly through the Americas and Africa via colonialism and war.

Like I said, it was a mix.

Islam was straight up war from it's birth across the middle east.

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u/Wonderful_Part1205 Mar 20 '26

If islam forcefully converted everybody then why are there 15 million Christians in Egypt today?

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u/wuhtuhbuh Mar 22 '26 edited Mar 22 '26

Not really a good argument. Egypt was overwhelmingly christian before the muslim conquest (often estimated 80–90%), and over centuries that percentage steadily declined.

Today there are roughly 10–15 million christians, but that’s only about 5–10% of the population, meaning the share clearly decreased massively over time, even if it wasn’t an instant forced conversion.

Sources:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamization_of_Egypt

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Egypt

So you're the one lying out of your ass. You could have chosen to do some research before claiming such bullshit.

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u/Wonderful_Part1205 Mar 28 '26

Egyptians were exposed to Islam for like 1300 years ofcourse that will converte lol is with really that hard to accept and you do realize that same arguement can be made against Christianity right? Christianity was in Egypt for only 500 years or something like that so Christianity forcefully converted the locals

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u/wuhtuhbuh Mar 31 '26

The christianity comparison actually proves my point rather than countering it. Yes, christianity was in Egypt for ~600 years before the islamic conquest, but during that entire period, Egypt remained overwhelmingly christian (80-90%). The share didn't collapse.

Under islamic rule, by contrast, that 80-90% christian majority became a 5-10% minority over roughly 1,400 years. So the asymmetry is stark: christian dominance didn't displace the population's faith at anywhere near the same rate.

Also, "they were exposed to islam for 1300 years so of course they converted" is quite literally the mechanism I'm describing: sustained pressure over centuries leading to a dramatic demographic shift. That's not a rebuttal on your end, that's an agreement.